The Forced Induction Thread - Boost Whores Get In Here!

[Cripton805]

but the thing is he wont blow anything in the head.. unless he gets over 700hp

A guy i know ran 400hp on a stock gsr motor for a year with no problems, then built the same motor and ran 600hp

I know what both of you mean :thumbs up
I just want to point out that it can help if you're constantly raping your engine.
It's bad when you do it stock, so why would it be ok when you boost?
If I wen't turbo, it would be for me to go fast, a lot. Often.

I guess it should just give it to you since the probability is not likely, but you guys didn't see it from my point of view. Just that chance of valve train failure. It would very likely piss me off.

 

[AlexD]

Local guy, forged bottom end stock head

makes 600+ whp

 

[Cripton805]

that^

there are benefits to building your head, im not saying its useless, but you do it to squeeze that last bit of hp out of your fully built engine, or if you want to rev to 10k.

Stop cluttering this thread.

He told me to come over Tam. :what:

 

[AlexD]

that^

there are benefits to building your head, im not saying its useless, but you do it to squeeze that last bit of hp out of your fully built engine, or if you want to rev to 10k.

Stop cluttering this thread.

If I build my head its not because im afraid of my valvetrain failing. its to squeeze more power out of it.

I know what both of you mean :thumbs up
I just want to point out that it can help if you're constantly raping your engine.
It's bad when you do it stock, so why would it be ok when you boost?
If I wen't turbo, it would be for me to go fast, a lot. Often.

I guess it should just give it to you since the probability is not likely, but you guys didn't see it from my point of view. Just that chance of valve train failure. It would very likely piss me off.

I beat the living s*** out of my car @ 8500rpms all day long, and have been for nearly 2 years now? Wheres my catastrophic failure? Youre not pointing it out. Youre making it out like it supposed to be some sort of necessity.

Feel free to answer any of the questions I asked above.

Your point of view is incorrect. and im not budging unless you can pull up solid evidence that beating the s*** out of an FI car is going to wreck the head sooner than a non-fi car. <--- my point.

 

[Cripton805]

oh god are you serious?

He built his head not because he was afraid his valve springs were going to s*** the bed on him..

building the head = more flow
building the head = more power
building the head = boost faster
building the head = more power @ less psi on his setup
building the head DOES NOT EQUAL = FEAR OF WRECKING YOUR HEAD COMPONENTS

BOOSTING YOUR CAR DOES NOT MAKE IT MORE PRONE TO GRENADING YOUR HEAD

I guess you didn't see "to get more power"
sigh...

He didn't just swap cams. He did the whole full shabang.

 

[Tam4511]

thats fin if your in here but we explained this to you 10x and you continued to argue about it. Idc if your in here, just stop cluttering the thread.

 

[AlexD]

Here Ill bring it over to this page just so you can read it.

First thing I said Quote
On your F/i setup, it's VERY important to build that bottom end and top. Having a balance to run the turbo. Because you will blow something if you're running to high and something isn't built. Of course you know that tuning is key since you're boosted.

define balance to run the turbo? Im on a pretty much stock head running turbo, should I take off my turbo kit?

Once you starting running so much pressure into your engine, and all you do is build the block, and leave the head completely stock, you can run the risk of damaging something because that engine is running hard.

what is "so much pressure"? PSI? PSI is not universal. If a GT28RS is @ 20lbs of "pressure" is it the same as a GT4088r @ 20psi? Do you understand what im saying now?

Is there a magic number where there is too much pressure for the head to supposedly handle? Will my springs and retainers buckle @ 25lbs? 30lbs?

Do you understand that what youre saying doesnt make sense.



A car does not grenade because of "pressure/psi" however you want to put it. A motor fails because of the power it is put under, not the "pressure".

Ill say it all over again. PSI is NOT UNIVERSAL, PSI is irrelevant.

Im legitimately curious on your answers to my question

 

[AlexD]

I guess you didn't see "to get more power"
sigh...

He didn't just swap cams. He did the whole full shabang.

yeah, to get more power. Not because he said "omfgzzzzzz my head is gonna shit the bed on me @ 20+lbs of boost.

 

[AlexD]

thats fin if your in here but we explained this to you 10x and you continued to argue about it. Idc if your in here, just stop cluttering the thread.

haha sorry for cluttering this thread, but I kinda sorta made it so we could have this discussion here about it. I dont think he understands what were trying to say.

Ill say it one more time tho

you can boost and beat the piss out of a stock block stock head honda all day long. It doesnt matter if its from a turbo, supercharger, nitrous, or all motor. you dont run into head problems from turbo pressure. you run into head problems from incorrect shifting or timing. That is all there is to it. Now beat that into your head before you go and tell someone else more incorrect s*** :thumbup:

 

[Cripton805]

Your point of view is incorrect. and im not budging unless you can pull up solid evidence that beating the s*** out of an FI car is going to wreck the head sooner than a non-fi car. <--- my point.

Ok. Now I see your point clearly stated.
Agreed.

It's not good beating any car. Sooner or later the engine will take a dump either way for beating the s*** out of it.
My point was that if you're beating the s*** out of it,
"replace the parts for better components to avoid failure later on."

If you beat the s*** out of it, of course it would be best to have better parts. F/I or N/A.
That was my point for a well rounded engine.

its not good for the head to beat the s*** out of it stock or F/I or N/A.
You will eventually need to "REPLACE" parts for beating the s*** out of it. You can try to avoid that by buying parts that can handle the abuse. even on a STOCK engine.

That was my point.
Good Day.

 

[AlexD]

Im glad you understand now. Any motor built or not is eventually going to wear. But there isnt any sort of magical PSI or number in which components will fail. There isnt any sort of "balance" you need to turbo your car, and pressure from the turbo sure as shit isnt going to kill your car. Its the resulting power.

 

[Tam4511]

haha sorry for cluttering this thread, but I kinda sorta made it so we could have this discussion here about it. I dont think he understands what were trying to say.

Ill say it one more time tho

you can boost and beat the piss out of a stock block stock head honda all day long. It doesnt matter if its from a turbo, supercharger, nitrous, or all motor. you dont run into head problems from turbo pressure. you run into head problems from incorrect shifting or timing. That is all there is to it. Now beat that into your head before you go and tell someone else more incorrect s*** :thumbup:

i wasnt blaming you ,and i didnt realize that was the reason for this thread lol

 

[AlexD]

np its all good i know.

this thread also for boost sluts. apparently we the only two hahaha

 

[Tam4511]

haha i know Prozon is boosted, or will be soon. yeah theres not many turbo guys on the site. There was another Alex on here from El Paso, his car was sick. Was featured in Honda Tuning, fully built gsr, big ass turbo and it was on spray.

 

[Str8Boostin]

Oh herro