rlz stage 2 cams with turbo??

[Jvest]

Stock LS cams...unless your trying to make more power then that then I would go with Brian Crower. LS heads are really limited with cam selection, thus the reason most people tend to go LS/Vtec or just boost a Vtec motor from the get go, or plan to make smaller numbers with an LS.

You can make over 300whp with stock LS cams, what the actual limits are I do not know honestly. I personally made 302whp on stock LS cams (13psi) on a similar setup to the OP. The biggest limiting factor for the OP is going to be those injectors

I would also ditch that single belt crank pulley, those type of units are known to kill bearings. And the 9lb flywheel is a little light for a boosted setup, but not my car so can't really tell you how to build yours lol

its a b16... head is a pr3-3
has skunk2 pro series spring and titanium retainers with supertech keepers and new oem valves, so it should have any trouble flowing. at least i wouldnt think so.
also thanks for the info on the crank pulley and flywheel ill check into that for sure!
i was actually thinking about switching to an 11 lb flywheel because i had thought about it being to light..
however i had never heard that about the pulley so thanks again.

 

[Jvest]

Why even bother with aftermarket cams? Use stock ITR cams and call it a day. They are known to make up to 700-800whp and idle like stock....if I were to go aftermarket cam over my ITR's it would be Skunk2 Pro 1's. Jeff Evans (well known tuner) has shown gains of 60-70hp at the same boost levels over ITR cams. Outside of that its a waste of money.

What are your power goals? I would say they can't be that high considering your running a log manifold and 440cc injectors. I would say you will be struggling to make 300whp with that setup, there fore stock B16 cams would work just fine for you. Save the money and spend it on something else like bigger injectors cause your gonna get bored with power levels real quick, trust me boost is an addiction you'll end up wanting more

sorry, didnt even see this lol i went straight to the bottom of the page.
im just wanting ~300 hp for now.
however i already have the cams and want to be ready to make more power when i get new turbo mani and injectors.
i also plan on building the block but right now im just looking for something to play around with.

 

[Jvest]

rlz stage 2
intake
lift 12.446mm
adv. duration 278
duration @ .050 238

exhaust
lift 11.43mm
adv. duration 284
duration @ .050 240

the durations are still being measured the same, its just converted from inches to mm, so your duration @ .050 is the same as saying your duration @ 1mm

how is that??
this is what i was going off of and it says 0.04" equals 1mm
NOT 0.050


Other Standardized Valve Lift Points to Read Duration Spec from:


2. Domestic V8 cam manufacturers reported their cam duration @ 0.050 in. valve lift. This has been their standard.


3. Japanese cam manufacturers report their cam duration @ 0.04 in. (or @1mm).



The lower the lift from which the duration is taken, the bigger the number for duration.

and no i dont know all there is to know about cam selection hence the reason i was asking for opinions/thoughts
however i did email rlz about the LSA specs and they never seem to answer the phone or check their emails

 

[Spawne32]

alright fair enough, then you cant directly compare them based on that number

 

[Spawne32]

what if your running a ls head?

i ordered a set of crane forced induction cams for my non vtec setup, but im getting a set of custom grinds so ive been trying to sell these cams. just stay away from the brian crower cams, bc uses a philosophy of using the same exact profile on each cam for their forced induction cams, which yield less then stellar performance when it comes to turbo applications. like i had said previously, derek from DDTECH tuning is the guy to talk to when it comes to cam selection.

 

[DaddyBuiltRacing]

You're the first person I have ever heard of that has a single negative thing to say about Brian Crower. His last name alone speaks for its self lol. Honestly like I said earlier I think buying aftermarket cams is a waste of time unless your trying to make 1000hp and at that point your not gonna run some off the shelf cam lol, you're gonna go with something like a Webb backed by a Kinsler/Wilson/Hogan intake manifold ect...

 

[ALL M0T0R]

You're the first person I have ever heard of that has a single negative thing to say about Brian Crower. His last name alone speaks for its self lol. Honestly like I said earlier I think buying aftermarket cams is a waste of time unless your trying to make 1000hp and at that point your not gonna run some off the shelf cam lol, you're gonna go with something like a Webb backed by a Kinsler/Wilson/Hogan intake manifold ect...

Brian is a good guy, but unlike v8's, honda's dont like the same profiles for everything...

People fail to realize there IS more to cam's then lift and duration..

LSA, Ramp angle, ramp speed, "real" duration and lift.. this is just a few.

Just because he has the last name "Crower" doesn't mean he knows how to make cams. FI setups typcially like alot of lift, with mild duration. Also liking a bigger exhaust cam and mild intake cam. For Example a GSR intake cam and ITR exhaust cam.. MOST cams out now and days, will work on a FI setup, nitrous or NA setup.. because the fact is, they'll all work to a point, its how well the overlap is tuned out or in.

I've seen bone stock cars gain 6mph from cam swaps, thats alot for a na 4cyl. When you build a motor, you build it around your cam profile, not the other way around.

Power is always in the head.. Always will be. Thats why there's sooo many off the shelf cams to choose from and why cam companies stay in business. If buying aftermarket cams is a waste, then why are there so many?? Stop being ignorant and talking about something you know nothing about.



http://www.clubintegra.com/board/showthread.php?t=71281

I am debating on going Pro 1's, I had a set over the spring and re-sold them (shouldve held on to em cause I picked em up crackhead cheap)

 

[hgocasca]

Show some respect please, nerk is a very smart person when it comes to these topics, he's pushing a significant amount of power, so ya, he would actually be able to use the gains they provide.

 

[ALL M0T0R]

show some respect please, nerk is a very smart person when it comes to these topics, he's pushing a significant amount of power, so ya, he would actually be able to use the gains they provide.

lol
You have alot to learn in this business buddy..alot.

 

[CallHimHERO]

lol
You have alot to learn in this business buddy..alot.

"alot" is actually spelled "a lot".

You have "alot" to learn about spelling buddy.."alot".

 

[ALL M0T0R]

"alot" is actually spelled "a lot".

You have "alot" to learn about spelling buddy.."alot".

Thx i love e-grammer nazi's , i was wondering when i'd have someone correct my internet slang terms.

 

[Spawne32]

You're the first person I have ever heard of that has a single negative thing to say about Brian Crower. His last name alone speaks for its self lol. Honestly like I said earlier I think buying aftermarket cams is a waste of time unless your trying to make 1000hp and at that point your not gonna run some off the shelf cam lol, you're gonna go with something like a Webb backed by a Kinsler/Wilson/Hogan intake manifold ect...

i was speaking strictly on the set of LS cams that crower makes for forced induction applications, but telling someone that aftermarket cams is a waste of time unless your making 1000hp is one of the most absurd things ive heard in a while, and just goes to show how limited your experience is when it comes to engine building.

Show some respect please, nerk is a very smart person when it comes to these topics, he's pushing a significant amount of power, so ya, he would actually be able to use the gains they provide.

respect should be given where its due, nerk clearly is not a "very smart person" based on what he just said, and once again we have another case of people trying to claim they're smart when they pay other people to do the work for them rather then learning the hands on knowledge required to do it themselves. unlike nerk, all motor is actually a cam designer, and took over the mantle for what was once rocketmotorsports cams, so i would listen to what he has to say when he explains something about cams and how they are to be used. Which is more then can be said for the guy claiming that you should stick with stock cams unless you plan on making 1000hp.

 

[DaddyBuiltRacing]

You're right I know nothing about cams or motors or going fast....gtfo! I would love to see these cars gain 6mph from a simple cam swap because I am calling bulls***, please take some vids to support your claims, if you can't then shhh. You quoted me saying I would've put skunk2 pro 1's in my car, pretty sure I just said the same f***ing thing in this very thread you moronic piece of s***. If you wanna try insulting me or PWNING me over the internet please come up with something better then what I have already claimed. Notice I said if I were to go with any other cam outside of ITR's then it'd be Pro 1's the only reason is I am shooting for 700+whp, sometihng the OP is far from making and trying to make. I will make 700 on ITR cams, but if I had the option of doing it on less boost then sure why wouldn't I? If I was planning on sticking at current power levels then I would stay with stock cams, chances are I remain with stock ITR cams regardless just to prove to people that aftermarket cams are not needed. But I am not going to spend 600 bucks on a set of cams when the ones I have currently will get the job done. I am well aware that power comes from the head and that the bottom end just has to hang on for the ride, a saying I have said numerous times on this very forum.

Oh btwI trap 124 on baby boost with ITR cams I know nothing about going fast

In case you feel like arguing some more, heres some graphs of cars with stock honda cams:

700whp on ITR's: http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2360
660whp on GSR's:http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=5331

Shall I continue?

 

[hgocasca]

Touché gentlemen, touché

 

[Spawne32]

calm down before you blow an o-ring out and s*** your pants, ill come back tomorrow and try to make sense of that dribble you posted. Until then, stop giving bad advise to people if you want to talk up your claims of what you think your accomplishing. A simple google search will verify everything that all motor posted, he doesnt make outlandish claims based on theory, its all based in proven results on the track and on the dyno from his customers.

anyone can build a fast car, building a great car on the other hand, is reserved for the best