turbo question

[TheNailGuy]

I've been talking to a buddy of mine whos had experience with turbo. He said all I needed to do was buy the whole kit and get a 3' piping. I've been reading up on them and I hear people saying that you have to upgrade the engine first before doing so. From what I've read that can be pretty dog gone expensive. I probably wont. Be upgrading to a turbo until a couple of months wanna get the suspensions and the weeps right first. This is going to be my DD. So is it possible to just slap a turbo in only running at 8 psi? Will it really hurt the engine?

 

[French-Frye]

Depends what engine is in it? if its a b18b1 nonvtec then its perfect it will run 10 psi on stock internals no problem. its its a vtec then the compression will be a bit higher so you can run a turbo but i think it wont handle a higher psi. and im sorry but im not sure ive never worked with a b18c1 so im not sure on the set up. i would NOT go on only my word. ive heard good and bad stories so this is just a reference. i would however find a good noted tuning shop, go talk to them ask as many questions as possible and get as much info as possible. Def good luck on it bro

 

[TheNailGuy]

Depends what engine is in it? if its a b18b1 nonvtec then its perfect it will run 10 psi on stock internals no problem. its its a vtec then the compression will be a bit higher so you can run a turbo but i think it wont handle a higher psi. and im sorry but im not sure ive never worked with a b18c1 so im not sure on the set up. i would NOT go on only my word. ive heard good and bad stories so this is just a reference. i would however find a good noted tuning shop, go talk to them ask as many questions as possible and get as much info as possible. Def good luck on it bro

I don't think I have any import shops here in Richmond va. But I have a b18c1 GsR motor. I wanted to do all motor but I figure if I'm gonna spend that much , might as well just boost it. If anyone knows of any import shops in ric va plzzzz limmie know lol I'd bug the crappy out of them and give them business

 

[Tam4511]

Psi is not relative, the power out put changes from turbo to turbo.

And gsr motors can take more than people give them credit for. A guy i know made 450 on a stock gsr motor with a full ebay setup for about a year, then upgraded to a legit setup and made 500 on it. And the gsr block i have in my shed used to run 10's in the 1/4th stocl and its in perfect condition. Aslong as you dont cut corners and do it right then you can do anything.

For a daily setup with minimul problems id go with a small turbo, maybe a .40trim t3 or t3/t4 hybrid, and push 5-7psi off that.

But its deffinately some thing you dont just "slap on". It takes alot if time and work to make it safe and reliable.
Aside from the turbo kit you will msot likely need atleast 500cc injectors, a walbro fuel pump, a tunable ecu is a must, and some other things.

 

[French-Frye]

this is why i said im not a reliable source. we have done b18b1 builds with turbos thats the motors i know but b18c1 i thought was a type r motor? im not sure i could be wrong in everything i said but our setup was an ebay setup and we were building a race car. we were only running 14 psi and making 550 on pump gas. but the motor was built to push 24 psi safely. its all about how much boost you want, how much you want to spend, how well it is done, and most of all how hard your gonna drive. ive seen setups that are very very good and still blew because they pushed it further than it could handle. and he is right its not a weekend job alot of work and tuning goes into it.

 

[TheNailGuy]

this is why i said im not a reliable source. we have done b18b1 builds with turbos thats the motors i know but b18c1 i thought was a type r motor? im not sure i could be wrong in everything i said but our setup was an ebay setup and we were building a race car. we were only running 14 psi and making 550 on pump gas. but the motor was built to push 24 psi safely. its all about how much boost you want, how much you want to spend, how well it is done, and most of all how hard your gonna drive. ive seen setups that are very very good and still blew because they pushed it further than it could handle. and he is right its not a weekend job alot of work and tuning goes into it.

Ehh the most I'm looking to spend is 4k I'm a single dude with no bills and money to blow and no I don't live with mom lol. Like I said its gonna be a DD I just want enough speed to get off the interstate without someone trying to race me off or on the ramp lol . Mainly just want a little boost. I. Don't wanna be the fastest just want a little more speed. Before my teg I had a 03 specv did mods to engine but still that 2.5 block rolled lol .but when I do turbo it I just wanna know what all do I have to upgrade. Or would it be cheaper just to get some headers intake manifold intake and a nice exhaust just for a little more speed. Bit goddamn I lost the way a turbo sounds

 

[mjones73]

B18C1 is a USDM GSR motor, the B18C5 is the USDM Type-R. The B18C1 is 10:1 stock and from what I've read can handle up to 300HP with the stock bottom end on a very good tune. Anything over that and you'll want to look into building the motor up to handle more power. The one thing I haven't been able to determine is how much power that motor can handle before you want to look into sleeving it also.

 

[mjones73]

4k should be enough to bolt on a turbo with the extras needed and a good tune on top of that. Keep the power within the limits of the motor and you should be good. When the bug bites you down the road, build the motor up and crank it up even more.

The key thing you do want to do with your motor is make sure it's healthy now, a good compression and leak down test is in order. Find yourself a good tuner and talk to them about ECU options also, you'll need a chipped one to tune it.

What year is the car by the way?

 

[Prozon]

I think four grand is plenty to have a reliable turbo set up with a good tune. I think you could have a damn good set up actually.
I think Tam covered everything.

 

[Tam4511]

thats how i roll :lol:

 

[DaddyBuiltRacing]

Prostate is a god

 

[Prozon]

I really doubt you can have a "reliable" set up for less then a grand.
Hell, even being as cheap as I am, i'll still be over a grand..

$700
Turbo, Walbro Pump, Oil Lines, Intercooler, Intercooler Piping, Blow-Off Valve, Wastegate, Manifold, RC Injectors.
I want to list more... but i'm being forgetful right now. Still no downpipe, which i'm probably going to fabricate myself. That's not counting the $400 tune, or $80 base map i'll need.

The condition of the motor is really important, and you should not turbo it unless it is healthy. A compression/leakdown test would tell you if it were healthy enough. Obviously you need to fix any oil leaks before you try to turbo it.

Oh, and yes, there really IS a limit to what motors can handle. That was stupid to try to state that.

 

[Prozon]

Last time I checked $1500 is over a grand.
I've never really heard of eBay kits being that reliable.

I never said that you can't make 600whp on a stock block. I said it wouldn't be reliable. (Or that's what I intended to at least.)
So lets see your 600whp stock B-Series that have been running a couple years. I would be interested in that.

And i'm not buying my clutch through eBay, so it doesn't count as an eBay clutch.
I'll let you know how it works out.

Edit:
Actually while your linking me to some 600whp stock B-series, why don't you link me to an eBay kit that has everything you need for $700 or less.

 

[DaddyBuiltRacing]

Prostate is a god

 

[Tam4511]

Take note to what Jeff says " I really feel with a larger turbo (GT30r or GT35R) the stock sleeve d-series can handle 550whp without any issues. In the future i plan on building something similar for a cheap 10 second track car for the shop"

PS my buddies stock sleeve y8 made 427whp on pump/meth and is still running

no shit, bigger turbo=slow spool= not making 550hp till about 6k rpm instead of 4k= less motor wear
i agree that all this can be done and be done reliably, but it costs a bit fo money, takes a bit of knowledge, and experience.

When people come in here asking "what psi should i run?" its obvious they dont know much about it so we advise them not to go over 300 hp, get a cheap turbo, and get a quality tune.