I would have to agree with disco. If you break it down, any kind of boost can be seen as cheating to someone without boost. You can take it further and say that someones cheating by building a vtec motor vs. someon who builds a non-vtec. You could also take it another step further with someone racing with a manual vs someone with a built automatic. Who cares what your running. If you lose to someone on No2, you lost-get over it. I hate to quote bad movies but Vin said it best, "It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winnings winning." And as for the R being the almighty, it's a great motor but it can be beat. If you spend about $12,000 you can just buy one of those G sport/dart beast crate motors. They put out around 300 N/A hp. No type r is going to match it without serious building-and then it's not a type r motor anymore.