motor build for turbo. need info

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Aussie

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You wont change my mind because you are wrong and you refuse to accept it.

Can stock bolts be reused? yes. Is it recommended for what the OP is doing? absolutely not.

The path you are recommending the OP is only going to lead to problems with his car, and I dont understand why you refuse to accept or are oblivious to that.

But what the hell do I know, I only own something similar to what the OP is trying to build.
I never told the op to use stock bolts for his build. He asked about reusing bolts and I made a simple comment stating that all the bolts can be reused. I didn't recommend him to use oem studs for his future build. Chill the fuck out!
 

Aussie

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Ive put my 2 cents in.
So you put your 2 cents in changed most of his build, yet I'm wrong for telling him that he's wasting money on a lot of the parts.

Block guard pointless. Manley rods for that is overkill. Type r oil pump? You already stated almost all the same disagreements i had. I've built many motors, I may not be a super Honda guru but none of my engines have failed on me. Iron sleeves, forged pistons, high spring rates, race bearings, these are all things that are not meant for daily drivers. I'm not saying you can't get them to work on the street but I'll be surprised to see 100k miles on them without a rebuild.
 

Kuchtaboy

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Lol, aussie, you must have missed my thread with Mr. Alex. He's the all knowing one-stop-shop for anything and everything relating to turbos.

And takes any reply to heart and as a personal attack. Don't be offended. Trolls will troll.

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Aussie

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Eh....after 6 years on here I'm used to it.
 


AlexD

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Lol, aussie, you must have missed my thread with Mr. Alex. He's the all knowing one-stop-shop for anything and everything relating to turbos.

And takes any reply to heart and as a personal attack. Don't be offended. Trolls will troll.

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Funny guy you are. Instead of making smart remarks you should be out learning how to work your camera. Your photography needs work. Your photos are either really underexposed, youve got some glare in some of them, or the composition is really off. The rule of thirds is your best friend when setting up for a shot.Your LS is also missing its turn signal. and PS. no one likes tilting their heads to see a photo that has some artistic gangster lean in it.
 
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AlexD

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So you put your 2 cents in changed most of his build, yet I'm wrong for telling him that he's wasting money on a lot of the parts.

Block guard pointless. Manley rods for that is overkill. Type r oil pump? You already stated almost all the same disagreements i had. I've built many motors, I may not be a super Honda guru but none of my engines have failed on me. Iron sleeves, forged pistons, high spring rates, race bearings, these are all things that are not meant for daily drivers. I'm not saying you can't get them to work on the street but I'll be surprised to see 100k miles on them without a rebuild.
I could care less how many motors youve built. All motors are different and here were talking honda motors. The tolerances of an LS1 and their components will not cross over to a honda. Same goes for anything else.

you will not see 100k out of a motor thats driven for how its supposed to be built.

Im not trying to call you stupid, or idiotic, but im putting in my 2cents as someone whos been there and done that, and im stating to the OP that some of the stuff youve said is not necessarily the best move for him and what he hopes to achieve from his build.

Manley rods? Overkill??? Please explain? Did you know that manely makes 2 different types of rods? They make their regular H beam rod which is very comparable to the eagle H beams, and then they make their turbo tuff rods, which are the rods that are supposed to withstand power north of 900 wheel.

The rod the OP is referring to is the H beam im going to assume, and manleys H beam rod kicks ass. Not saying anything about the eagle is horrible, but from what Ive read, it was either Jeff Evans or Laskey, who took the eagle H beams, and found varying weight differences between all the rods, while the manleys were on par. Thats enough to sway me in the manley direction, and I was telling the OP that its a good choice for the same price as the eagles, which are in the $350 area. Overkill? not really. Both rods are rated to twice the power the OP wants, which other rods are there for him to get that are less? Would you rather be overbuilt? Or underbuilt?

Please explain to me why forged pistons are not meant for daily driven cars? Why arent acl race bearings meant for daily driven cars? And what about a type r oil pump? high spring rates not meant for daily driven cars?

Heres more of my 2 cents.

I have put nearly 20,000 miles on my forged pistons, forged rods, ACL race bearings, and 80,000 miles on the head of my car, which consists of skunk 2 valves, ferrera dual valve springs, and retainers, and a stage 1 port and polish compliments of port flow in california. What about this setup is not meant for daily drivers? I have yet to have 1 issue with my setup after all these miles driven through the city, hwy, etc. Ive beaten the shit out of my car, swapped out the turbo kit components, and have yet to swap even one of the parts you claim arent meant for daily driven cars.

Im sure you have areas youre knowledgeable in. I never once claim to know absolutely everything about forced induction or hondas in general. I learn just like everyone else, through experience, reading, and friends. If im wrong, ill pony up and admit it, I wont be a dick about it. If youre wrong, just admit it, or if youve never had experience in the area, then why comment.
 

Kuchtaboy

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Funny guy you are. Instead of making smart remarks you should be out learning how to work your camera. Your photography needs work. Your photos are either really underexposed, youve got some glare in some of them, or the composition is really off. The rule of thirds is your best friend when setting up for a shot.Your LS is also missing its turn signal. and PS. no one likes tilting their heads to see a photo that has some artistic gangster lean in it.
:lol:

My pictures are 3 years old, and I never claimed to be a professional.

You really need to chill out dude. Idk what your problem is, but you're taking the internet way to seriously.

I promise everything will be okay. There are more then 1 right answer in life, and I'm not offended by your personal hits.

I actually don't own that LS anymore, but it does have the turn signal in it right now. I figured 3 years was long enough without it.

Just calm down bro. We're all right here for you.

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AlexD

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LOL I love giving you shit and the stuff you dish back. Good stuff. I dont get offended, I just like a heated debate.
 

AlexD

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do you have access to the internet on anything other than your droidx? I know I already hate texting on my droidx, couldnt imagine surfing everything on it.
 

Kuchtaboy

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I do, I'm just usually away from home. I don't mind it tho. tapatalk is pretty sweet and the swype program helps with texting/typing.

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Aussie

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Your not having a debate, your being a know it all. I've put together enough honda motors to know what works, you have your one turbo build. I'm done with this thread.
 

AlexD

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Im being a know-it all because you have no relevant knowledge of the topic at hand?

Go ahead and be done man. I wouldve been done a long time ago if I commented on topics I dont know shit about either.
 

ssmokeyy

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OK i will change a couple things around but i would like to know why is the oem head gasket better? Is there a problem with cometic head gaskets? Aem ems and meth kit i really want i know there is cheaper but i love aem gear. Im getting the oem type r pump to just put a new pump on the motor and not use the old used one. How much less tq would i get with 81 mm and Dose the block guard not work at all or what? its funny some people like block guards and some don't. Is hondata s300 like aem ems at all? can i laptop it and understand it? The aem software has help guides to help you understand every thing liek terms and numbers for people new and i would like to get more in to tuning and understanding that side of my car.
 

AlexD

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OEM headgasket just works better. Majority of people have better luck with them. I ran into an overheating issue that mightve been the studs, but prior to my oem gasket I was using a cometic. There is a chance that it contributed but I cant be sure. Alot of people swear by oem. Ive been running oem for a while now and there have been no problems.

For 350whp, meth is just overkill, and really isnt something that is needed. People make more power than that on straight pump gas. Adding meth in there just means more money, and more chances for something to go wrong, IMO.

OEM type R oil pump = GSR/LS oil pump. There are no differences, so dont be fooled by different pricing just because there is a R in the name.

You arent going to see a huge increase in torque just from a .5mm overbore, and honestly, its just on paper. You wanna see a big diff? Go 84mm sleeves and an LS crank and make your motor a 2L. Otherwise just do a fresh hone and youll be set.

Block guards are a hit or miss. People seem to have good luck with them, others dont. Block guards can contribute to alot of cooling issues, in which they dont allow coolant to circulate properly around the sleeves. Alot of it happens to be with the installation of the block guard being done wrong as well iirc. But if most people can get away with around 400-500whp without one, I highly doubt not running a block guard is gonna be bad. IMO they are just a cheap way to prevent your sleeves from splitting. You figured if they worked well enough, more companies would be doing just block guards instead of full sleeves. The way I see it, if your sleeves are going to grenade, a $100 block guard isnt going to save it.

As far as S300 being like AEM EMS, I cannot comment on that. I dont have any experience with either EMS units, however you have the capabilities of datalogging with just about any sort of EMS that is out there on the market.

The thing is, both s300 and the AEM EMS have tons of features to them, more than what your average joe would know what to do with. Which leaves you a couple of options.

Are you going to utilize the EMS to its full potential? If so then its worth your money

If not, then save the hundreds of dollars and go crome, crome pro, or even Neptune which is about $150 for the license and does alot of the same stuff that the S300 does, including boost by gear.

I suggest for tuning knowledge to visit pgmfi.org. I hear they have a lot of useful information
 

AlexD

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If youre not going to contribute to the thread why are you posting? I expect more from a forum moderator. You should learn some humility and actually accept the fact that you are incorrect.

Negged.
 
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