help please!!!!

Kuchtaboy

Unregistered User
You can use a paper clip. Seriously.


I'll try and find you a link. lol

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DARKNGL said:
Old posting but on the Passenger side under the dash where your Glove Compartment is there will be a green or blue rubber molded clip holder holding two connectors or one in some cases. Get the one with only two connections and place a paper clip to connect both together and then turn your key to the on position withou starting your car. Look at your Check Engine Light and it will flash telling you your code. It will flash three times and then begin.
(Link to the page)
 
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Kuchtaboy

Unregistered User
nope, you'll be fine. The factory tool to do it is just a glorified paperclip. lol
 


cory_cnx

New Member
i just tried to do this and i found a yellow plugger that wasnt plugget to nothing (yellow harness) but i didnt find the one u told me ...

hey bro is this in back of my glove compartment or under it ?cause i tried to get that yellow plug that was behind my glove compartment and i cut my hand like 1000 ...lol
 
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Kuchtaboy

Unregistered User
lol, Mine's a green one under it, not behind... I think yours is the same color, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll check for ya.
 


cory_cnx

New Member
alrite bro i found it and i did the thing with the paper clip
the first time the light did 7 blinks
second time 9
then i wait a lil longer and the light stayed on for few seconds and began again
this time was
first 4 times
second 7 times
third 9 times

I read the manual and it says that the code 4 is the CRANKSHAFT POSITION 9CKP SENSOR)
7 is the THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR (TP SENSOR 0
9 is THE NO.1 CYLINDER POSITION (CYP SENSOR)

NOW MY BIG QUESTION IS CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW TO FIX THIS SENSORS ???????thanks a lot
 

Kuchtaboy

Unregistered User
hmm... From what i know, your car shouldn't start if the crank position sensor is bad.

Depends whats wrong with them on fixing it tho, could be wiring, could be the sensor itself, or it could be your ecu.
 

cory_cnx

New Member
bad motor ,i dont think so cause after is warmed up it runs fine but when its cold it doesnt start tight i have to step on the gas 4 like about 2 minutes ..
so if i have the codes already how can i fix it ,how about the throttle positions sensor that one seems to be easy 2 fix.thanks guys
 

mteg

Automatic Lover
You did say that your car was an auto? It may be your FIT valve. From what I understand that this is like a chock on the underside of your throttle body. It could be stuck. When I swapped my Throttle body witha larger one without a FIT valve, my car idled rougher on those cold Wisconsin mornings. I never had to give my car gas to keep it going though. There is another thread called idle problems that addresses this. I'll post the info (not trying to steal someones thread). Hope this helps.

P.S. If it is your FIT valve and you need a new TB, I have one I could sell you.


Quote: Bad Idle Troubleshooting By Ben Ogle
This is mostly for high and roaming idles but may work for low idles as well.

First, terms:

TB - Throttle Body
IM - Intake Manifold
IACV - Idle Air Control Valve (also called the Electronic Air Control Valve or EACV)
FITV - Fast Idle Thermo Valve
TPS - Throttle Position Sensor







I finally got the swap (b18a) in my civic but unfortunately when I started it up it idled at 3k. Then when it warmed up it had a hunting idle from 2k to 2500 rpm. I stood over that thing for 3 days, testing and scratching my head. On top of that I did a TON of searching on the h-t, hybrid boards, and on G2IC. I hope what is contained within helps someone. Maybe they wont have to go through as much work as I did.

The idle on our Hondas is a tricky thing. It is controlled by two main sensors: the FITV and the IACV. The FITV is a mechanical valve that is controlled by coolant temperature (there is no ECU plug to it). When the coolant is cold the valve is open and letting air into the IM through a hole in the TB before the throttle plate. This essentially creates a small vacuum leak which in turn lets the motor idle higher than normal (supposed to be around 1500-2k for warming up). As the coolant warms up the valve closes and no longer lets air in through the hole in the throttle body. All the while the IACV, which is ECU controlled, is letting small amounts of air into the IM through another hole in the TB. Any amount of extra air the ECU is not expecting will confuse it and you will get either a high idle or a roaming/hunting/fluctuating idle. On to the troubleshooting.

First things first, don't skip any of these steps. From what I have read (and experienced) usually small dumb things cause these problems so don't overlook anything. Also refer back up to the pictures if need be.

1) Check your vacuum routing. On the underside of your hood there should be a vacuum diagram. If there isn't a diagram under there, there is one in a Helms, Chiltons, or Haynes manual for your car (you should have one of these anyway). Remember, ANY extra air will confuse the ECU. Check for cracked or bad vacuum hoses. If in doubt just replace the hose, they are cheap.

The PCV valve could also be the culprit. Take it out and examine it. If it is cracked it could be causing a vacuum leak. Replace the peice if you arent completely sure it is ok (the helms/chiltons/haynes manuals tell you how to check it).

2) Check to see that your throttle plate is closed all the way. Take your intake off at the TB and check to see that nothing is blocking the plate. If nothing is in the way and it isn't closed all the way, loosen your throttle cable.

3) Check to see if the nuts holding the TB and the IM on are tight, this was the source of my idle problem. If they are loose, tighten them.

3.5) Check the Idle screw. Its on the top of the TB right next to the red vacuum line in the first picture. Its a flat-tip screw and most TB's have it epoxied over. If your screw is not epoxied over try adjusting it.

4) Bleed your coolant. Some air bubbles may throw the FITV off and keep the valve open.

5) Take the 3 10mm bolts out of the FITV (you don't have to take off the coolant lines). Then take off the 2 8mm bolts off the plate on the back of the FITV. Once the plate is off you will see a white plastic thing, screw that all the way in. This causes a TON of people's hunting idle problems (it's a source of a vacuum leak). Put the FITV back on and start the car up. If it still idles bad go on. Here is a writeup on the FITV. {Jacksont001 note: it is located below}

6) Clean the IACV screen(s). See Oz's write up on G2IC. {Jacksont001 note: it is located below}

7) Make sure your car is completely warmed up. With it running, take the intake off the TB. There are 2 holes right in front of the throttle plate, these are the holes that feed the IACV (top hole) and the FITV (bottom hole). With your finger, cover up the bottom hole (it should NOT be sucking if your car is warmed up). If the idle goes down the FITV is to blame, either get a new one or take it apart and screw the valve completely closed (I have only read of people doing this, so I don't know exactly how. Also, you will have to keep the engine speed up yourself when the car is cold).

Next cover both holes up with your fingers. The car should sputter and die (or almost die). If it does then the source of your crappy idle is the IACV. Replace it. If you want you can test the IACV. Shut the car off and put + battery voltage to the blk/yel terminal (on the valve) and momentarily touch ground to the blu/yel side. When doing this the valve should click, if it doesn't, replace it.

If, when covering both holes the car still has a high idle, you have a vacuum leak somewhere. Again check the IM and TB nuts. You can spray carb cleaner around those areas and if any gets sucked in (the engine will rev) you have found your leak. Another source of vacuum leaks are where the FITV and IACV connect to the IM. Either replace the gaskets or use silicone gasket sealant.

If nothing has worked you should test your TPS. Probe the middle wire on the TPS plug (with the key on but not running, and the plug still connected to the sensor) with the + probe on the volt meter, and the neg probe to ground. You should have .5v with a fully closed throttle plate and 4.8v with it wide open. If the TPS is off, replace it. My TPS was .425v to 4.55v and it idles fine now so I don't know how big the margin of error is. Also, it is pretty rare for these to go bad.

9) If, still, nothing has worked you might want to try a new ECU. This also is very unlikely, but worth a try.

10) If it still idles bad, go through the steps again.
 
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cory_cnx

New Member
very good info bro ,I just checked the tps and the voltometer didnt read nothing not even 1 so this means i have to changes my tps ?thanks a lot
 

mteg

Automatic Lover
If you have a closed throttle, it should read less than 1. If your car runs fine when warmed, it might not be your tps. I'd check everything If I were you. Good luck.
 
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