high horsepower n/a

emd513

New Member
been trying to find out as much info as i can on building a n/a motor with power. does anyone have serious hp putout with out vtec and what kind of setup do u have. also for the ones with vtec what head do you have and what kind of power is your vehicle(s) output with what setup. im still trying to figure out exactly which route to go. i want 300 whp non turbo, i know thats alot but does anyone come close to that figure here with there setup. i plan on putting nitrous on it after i get as close to that mark as possible.
 

mirrorimg

Well-Known Member
If you did some research... you would know that 300 is impossible in a N/A build with a B18.

You will probably see about 220 if you really build a B18C1 or B18C5. If its track only you may be able to get up to 250, but this is a non-daily, race gas motor.

My non-VTEC will probably be about 180WHP, and thats with a few thousand dollars into it. You will want to look into K series, or H series but still will be spending a lot to near that 300 N/A mark. You could do a J series swap and be much closer to your goal.

http://www.clubintegra.com/board/showthread.php?t=11572
 
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db1love

New Member
bro ur not gettin 300 whp with out f/i,
just do basics to in ternals,
exhaust, high flow cats, headers, nice intake, intake manifold, fuel rail,

Complete Gasket Set
Cometic Head Gasket
ROSS Forged Pistons
#99808 (.020, 8.6-1) or
#99807 (.020, 9.4-1) or
WISECO Forged Pistons
(81, 81.5mm bore and 8.3-8.6 comp ratio)
(81, 81.5mm bore and 9.3-9.8 comp ratio)
(81, 81.5, 82mm bore and 11.1-11.6 comp ratio)
(81, 81.5, 82mm bore and 12-12.4 comp ratio)
Performance Rings
Performance Wrist Pins
TOGA HP Main Bearings
TOGA HP Rod Bearings
Thrust Washers
Timing Belt
Expansion Plugs

crane cams Camshaft
RPM 1000-7000

get some valves to build some compression
get a nice throttle body
port an polish, mill the head,

hope it helps
 

emd513

New Member
this is the list im working on right now


skunk2 70mm throttle body black edition
intake black edition
turbo muffler 3" outlet
fuel rail
adjustable cam gears black edition
84mm pistons with about a 9:1 compression
eagle rods
complete set of arp studs
b18a head port n polished and shaved
brian crower 414 cams
oversized valves
double springs
4-2-1 header
2 1/2 straight exhaust


i havent decided on which ecu setup i am going to use still need to do my research on those.
this is just the list of parts im working on right now. i know i need alot more.

i just have a problem in my head with that number be a little over 200, and i guess it is from me building v8 my whole life. i just dont see how, if you put all those parts pump in more fuel and you start with 130 whp how you would only get 100 more. i know that is alot of power to begin with in our cars but it just seems odd you couldnt get a whole lot more. my whole goal was that i was going to hit close to that 300 mark and then throw a bottle of 100 shot nitrous on it for the guys that have the turbo setup at 350 and up and be able to keep up if not beat, and all of this is just going to be for now until i can save up to get a turbo to put on it, thats why i decided to keep it at a 9:1 set so i wouldnt have to rebuild the block for lower comp. i can still use everything else with a turbo other than the cheap header i have.i guess i try shooting for the crazy numbers
 


db1love

New Member
thats basicaly wat im goin for aswell, 70mm throttle body is pretty big dood, i dont think it will work,
and with all that listed you would be the luckiest kid in the world just to hit 200
 

heritage36

New Member
If you want a lot of HP you will want to go higher comp than 9:1. I am doing a setup now that I hope gives me 190-200 N/A, which is actually quite beastly N/A for a honda B-series. I have a heavily ported and built up head with jun 3 cams, not sure what pistons I am going to use but probably 12:1 compression around there, forged internals, good flowing intake manifold, good fuel system and tuned good on hondata S300. Doing my trans up really good too which too many people overlook I think, same with axles.
 

phatintegra

Banned
N/A build on 9:1? If your sticking with that compression just boost it.

You mention over size valve and dual springs? You will need upgraded retainers. Then you mention 84mm. You know your stock cylnd wall will be very thin and you want to consider sleeving it. Then 70mm TB? Look like you need to do more research and figure out your goal and cost first.

I'm going to be running around 12:1 compression give or take since my B16 head is decked and I'm running OEM ITR 81.25mm piston on a LS/VTEC.
 


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db1love

New Member
phatintegra said:
N/A build on 9:1? If your sticking with that compression just boost it.

You mention over size valve and dual springs? You will need upgraded retainers. Then you mention 84mm. You know your stock cylnd wall will be very thin and you want to consider sleeving it. Then 70mm TB? Look like you need to do more research and figure out your goal and cost first.

I'm going to be running around 12:1 compression give or take since my B16 head is decked and I'm running OEM ITR 81.25mm piston on a LS/VTEC.
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hoped someone would tell him
 

emd513

New Member
it might be 82 mm. there 40 over.i forgot the mm size. the 70 mm tb was just on the list, yes i do still have some of that research to do and figure if i want it or if it be better wit smaller. the 9:1 comp is staying low cause i want to go with a turbo later just cant afford all of it right now. and everything up there on my list will still work with the turbo setup. the reason why it doesnt sound right is cause i can take a 350 small block with 225 whp punch it 40 over port n polish the heads slap in 212 valves with double springs and throw a 664 cam in it with a quadrajet 4 barrel and pull 750 whp. i know im working with a lot smaller motor but damn that just sound like a really low gain for all the extra parts that are well oversized from stock putting in more air and fuel to just gain 80+ whp max. i guess if thats all ill just grab a gsr head and build it out and go with what ever it gives me till i can get the turbo.
 

phatintegra

Banned
Domestic motor and Import motor is a whole different ball game. I came from a domestic background with a fully built 454, blower/supercharge in my old 76 Nova SS manual trans. I twisted the sub frame in it on launching it on the track.

I guess you want to boost it now (you mention non turbo in your first post). You will need ARP rod bolts, you may can get 250-300 on a good tune still depends on how much boost and turbo set up. you will need gauges, wideband, tuning management stand alone or chip ECU, etc. not going to get into details because there are tons of information on this site or google.com

PS: I prob consider sleeving.
 

emd513

New Member
i know i can get a whole lot more than 300 with a turbo. we have a guy here that threw a b18 motor in a hatch and turbo and is running 425 to the wheels. thats not the problem. im still going to go with a non turbo setup for now till i can save the money up to get the one i want and not buy a junk ebay package. will see what happens. im going to build this motor for the most right now and see what i get. guess ill check around and see if i can find a gsr head to use and build the shit out of it and do a ls/vtec then turbo.
 

emd513

New Member
hahahahaha very funny. i am building a 383 right now with 900+ whp just got to figure what i want to put it in. im going to build a ls/vtec to the max with out going over 5000 before i turbo in aftermarket parts. thats with me doing all of the work so its just part price. but i was looking at brian crowers website last night and they had a strocker kit for my motor but they wanted 1900 for it. thats fucking crazy, when i can go out and pull the crank and rods out of another motor or buy the after market eagles for that motor and stick in mine. same shit just a whole lot less money. thanks for the info though guys, i appreciate it, now i am pretty much sure which route to take.
 
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