which one do i choose, and where do i find it?

daddy

newguy
Like everyone else says when there new," im new" to this site and this foreign car frenzy and im calling on the best for some advice. I have a 93 integra with a 94 b18b1 Integra engine. The trouble is either my incompetence or the in-ability i have to find an engine rebuild kit. I want to get everything out of my engine that i can, naturally aspirated, and one of the few things i do know is that i have to rebuild it, with better parts. I might add that ive found kits, but i want everything from the pistons to the seals. EVERY Thing. Is there such a thing? Web site? Maker? I dont know alot about this or what im doing but even though this car will eventually be a DD right now its a hobby and something to blow money on. I have lots of plans and goals for this car and this is the 3rd month of really learning about my engine and Acura. I'll have to say Im really starting to love Honda and Acura, and my friend/mechanic has all the knowledge plus the Haynes Manuel. One last thing, I was wondering if someone out there that knew where to find this kit if it exists would know weather or not it would be cheaper to build this engine in comparison to how much Horse power i would get or should i just Buy one off of JDM.com with everything , like a H22a that comes with 220 horse power stock and just put that in. I want as much H.P. as i can possibly get under the hood of this integra without nitrous.
 

mirrorimg

Well-Known Member
If you want better performance out of the motor, then I would suggest doing a couple of things.

Increase the bore of the cylinders, get higher compression pistons, get more aggressive cams with valvetrain to support them.

If you decide to do this, I'm sure you can find a rebuild kit for cheaper that does not include pistons and rings.

Piston info
 
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daddy

newguy
that was like a 24/7 integra help line. And i really appreciate it. Ive been reading alot on my car and engine and mirrorimg you said you were sure i could find a rebuild kit for cheaper that doesent include pistons and rings. So let me ask you this. If i wanted to get everything i can out of this car wouldnt i want P. and R.? Or do they cost that much more as a part of the kit. Compared to buying the motor from jdm that is. Also are the pistons and rings gonna make that much difference?
 


mirrorimg

Well-Known Member
that was like a 24/7 integra help line. And i really appreciate it. Ive been reading alot on my car and engine and mirrorimg you said you were sure i could find a rebuild kit for cheaper that doesent include pistons and rings. So let me ask you this. If i wanted to get everything i can out of this car wouldnt i want P. and R.? Or do they cost that much more as a part of the kit. Compared to buying the motor from jdm that is. Also are the pistons and rings gonna make that much difference?
P. and R.? You need pistons and rings. If you get pistons from another source, you need to get rings to match those pistons size (they sometimes come with the pistons). I bought some Type R style pistons in 82mm from an RS Machine dealer on Ebay, and the rings are included. We have a sponsor on here who sells pistons made by the same company, under a different name, for a little cheaper than what I found them for, and they come with rings.

Pretty much all rebuild kits are the same. You wont see any performance addition from changing the gaskets. The only ways you will see performance increases are by increasing the bore of the cylinders, increasing the compression ratio by using taller domed pistons, by increasing the stroke (expensive), and by getting aftermarket camshafts and valvetrain and having it tuned.
 

daddy

newguy
Awesome. I read the article on pistons. I have a certain degree of understanding on pistons but thats the kind of stuff i want someone else like You for instace to just tell me what to get when i order the kit. If i understood this site a lil better i would deffinatly go through clubintegra to get some or all of my parts. Like what you were saying about the sponsors. I cant even figure out how to donate money to get the C. I. Lanyard. The first page says store moved then it brings me to tunersports.com. I wanna help out b/c this site has been really useful but i want to make sure i know where i donate my money too. But neways like we were talking about i want to get everything out of this car and then some. Oh and where or how would i go about increasing the size of the cylinders?
 


daddy

newguy
So exactly how to i go about doing this. Would this fall under the, " sponsor on this site has these parts catagory." Like you were saying earlier? increasing the bore of the cylinders, increasing the compression ratio by using taller domed pistons, by increasing the stroke (expensive), and by getting aftermarket camshafts and valvetrain and having it tuned.

I dont mean to sound like an idiot man i just wanna get a better idea of what i need to do and how i need to go about doing it. Im really not slow, im just learning slow i guess.
 

H22DB7

BooStEd_DB7
jdm engine shop out here in socal.. i paid 850 for longblock.. and typeS would run between 1100-2200.. but the og jdm h22a puts in work. great power/torque (even though im going with a whole new h22 set-up)
 

guiltyxxspark

Internet Hate Machine
NA usually means some sick nasty high compression numbers (a guy on H-T had his around 13.1:1) and much more aggressive cams and the valve train to match. It can get expensive but if you do it right the first time your set up will never let you down. Good luck, sir.
 

kfed

New Member
Just giving my 2 cents. May shot peen the connecting rods, get forge piston head or forged conecting rods, balance the crankshaft, knife edge the counterweights. ARP studs and bolts. This will make for a strong bottom end.
This maybe contraversial by saying use oem bearings (journal, connecting rod) they are made for longevity. Usually with performance bearing, they are made only for few races or some time period where one would need to go back into the engine.
 

mirrorimg

Well-Known Member
So exactly how to i go about doing this. Would this fall under the, " sponsor on this site has these parts catagory." Like you were saying earlier? increasing the bore of the cylinders, increasing the compression ratio by using taller domed pistons, by increasing the stroke (expensive), and by getting aftermarket camshafts and valvetrain and having it tuned.

I dont mean to sound like an idiot man i just wanna get a better idea of what i need to do and how i need to go about doing it. Im really not slow, im just learning slow i guess.
A machine shop must bore the block to accept larger pistons. If you want to put ITR pistons on your LS rods, the rods need to be milled to provide proper clearance. Im not sure if CTR pistons will fit without milling, but they will bump you compression even higher. The shop will have to press the old piston pins out, and press the new ones in after the milling (if they have to).

When I had my block machined, I bought pistons and the machine shop bored out the block to match the pistons. It was 82mm, but the shop wanted to get the tolerances right before they arbitrarily bored the block to 82mm, as the pistons could have been slightly smaller/larger than 82.00mm. I looked for the topic with the pistons I am talking about, and cant seem to find them. I got my pistons off of Ebay. Im sure you can find many of the parts you want there, but TunerSports is the ClubIntegra's sales website. Im sure you can PM JayJay and he could get you almost anything you want.

If you want a basic rundown on building up a LS... I can give you the basics. Im not going to spoon feed you. I did mine myself, I have a build thread on here. These are things you want to upgrade/machine work should you go with a B18B1 motor.

Block:
Deck (mill the top of the block if it is uneven/warped)
Pistons: ITR or CTR style pistons. (I used RSmachine cast pistons in 82mm) You can get forged pistons for increased strength, but they are SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive. ($180 v. $500)
-Sizes:81mm (stock) up to 84mm (The size of the pistons in a B20)
Rods: Mill stock rods to fit pistons. You can increase the strength by having them shot-peened, or upgrade to forged rods, but again, this is at your discretion.
Cylinders: Bore to match pistons, hone.
ARP Rod bolts for superior strength over OEM

Head:
Resurface (if the head has any warpage)
Valve job (basic or 3 angle)
Port and polish for better flow
Valvetrain
Camshafts: Crower (402,403,404), Brian Crower, JG (301,303), Crane.
Springs/retainers Upgraded to match the camshafts. OEM are not suitable in the more aggressive cams because of the possibility of valve float.
ARP head studs

I'm sure I am missing something but this is a basic run down if you want to squeeze the most out of your engine. If I had the chance to go back when I was rebuilding my engine, I would first have just changed my mind and gone with a B18C1, but if that wasn't possible, I would have bored out the cylinders to 84mm.

Just giving my 2 cents. May shot peen the connecting rods, get forge piston head or forged conecting rods, balance the crankshaft, knife edge the counterweights. ARP studs and bolts. This will make for a strong bottom end.
This maybe contraversial by saying use oem bearings (journal, connecting rod) they are made for longevity. Usually with performance bearing, they are made only for few races or some time period where one would need to go back into the engine.
The crank doesn't necessarily need to be balanced. It wont hurt, but Honda makes sure their cranks are pretty well balanced from the factory. The weak link in the LS bottom end is the rod bolts. They are the first to fail. Also, he may not be able to use the proper color-coded bearings if the crank has any uneven wear and needs to be cut/polished.
 

daddy

newguy
wow! sorry i havent been able to respond and thank you all, i work 3 12s a week. Thank you everyone for your help and opinions. Ive spent quite a while searching for answers about this motor and i had a strong feeling i wasnt gonna find what i was looking for in thoughs 7 dollar magazines, who are usually more focused on high performance and what you do to your car to make it more higher performance. MirrorING your the first person to give me a highly detailed description and formula to go off of. Thanks bro. This site really seems to be the hook up. I dont know how you know the specific parts and intricate little pieces that it takes to build this specific motor up to be a beast. But i do know there is a right and a wrong way to do everything. Some parts may be the best in certain motors and others be the best for other motors. But there is a right way to do somthing and ive read alot of your other posts and ill take your word that you know my specific motor well enough to tell me the parts that will work best and be most realiable in my b18b1. Im hooked to this site now once again thanks guys. Happy Early thanks Giving.
 
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