HHO project

[speedin]

well figure this shit out...ill rock it in my srt..turbo and all.

Id say it would still be cheaper, more cost effective and more powerful to switch to E85. ESPECIALLY to turbo cars. Shit the power gains alone are worth it. Ive seen a E85 STI with a GT30R take a similar STI with a GT35R but on pump. It was a bad beating too.

anyways, back on Hydrogen.....

 

[jim vehlewaald]

One other thing concerning using HHO. The claims are that it makes your engine run BETTER, CLEANER and STRONGER. Plus if your a tree hugger, its clearly much better for the environment.

speedin - I have'nt looked at the cars that you mention, but yes if its stored in the car, then that gets very expensive. This HHO type of system is "hydrogen on demand"...meaning that the power is wired to the ignition system/power supply. It only starts making hydrogen when the key is on. There's very little chance of it blowing because the jar is filled to within 1-2" of the top, and the system is constantly under vacuum from the car running. A bleeder valve throttles air into the cell, and a check valve ensures a one way flow to your engine - no flash back. You can make varying sizes of cells -pint jar cells/quart jar cells/ gallon etc. I saw one on youtube with what looked like a 5 gallon jug being used for a truck. Heat is built up by this process, so glass is preferred to help w/heat loss (along w/most putting cells in the high air flow area of the front bumper) and plastic could deform if it gets too hot. Heat/voltage use can be throttled by addition or subtraction of the catalyst...use less baking soda for less voltage use/less heat and also lower hydrogen output. There's a balance there that needs to be worked out. In winter, I'm told that these cells can use windshield washer fluid to prevent freezing.

E85 is much costlier than water and baking soda.

Ominus G2 - excellent links, that the system I'm talking about. Almost identical to mine. I made hard copies and will read/review periodically. Thanks!

I've heard nothing but good things from people that run this system, they claim it cleans out the internal of the engine over time...the carbon build up is burn off due to the higher combustion of the hydrogen, they even claim it extends the life of the engine. We'll see...

Jim

 

[Aussie]

You could use an aftermarket lambda controller. Most can be set for different fuel modes.

 

[Nighthawk]

I'm just waiting for them to release fuel created from Algae. Its extremely hard to grow right now due to finding space open enough to do so. The gains (both power and mileage) are greater than any other form of alternative fuel in talks at the moment. Its also the cleanest burning form of alternative fuel. It would be dirt cheap if it hits the market. If I recall correctly there are supposed to be some test units popping up around 2010/2011.

 

[Aussie]

Are you trying to supplement the gas with hydrogen. If so, where do you plan on injecting it at. Through the intake manifold will be pointless, it will be mixing with air which will negate any effect you planned to achieve with it.

If you were to get a second set of injectors and run a direct injection setup with them it might work. You would have to have them set to pulse slightly after the fuel ones do so that both the intake and exhaust valves are closed when they are spraying. You would also need to figure out the molecular ratio for hydrogen to air. You'll have to then figure out the ratio for the gas/hydrogen mixture. After that you'll need to figure out how much of a bang it's going to make. I don't know how much force an exploded hydrogen molecule will make, but I'm guessing it will be more than one molecule of gasoline. This will play a big deal because you don't know if your cylinders will be able to handle the pressure. You'll also need some sort of compressor to control the pressure to the injectors.

I don't know if you've thought about all this, or if this was even the route you were taking. Just giving you some things to think about.

 

[JRSGSR]

Ive used this.. I made an HHO set up for my 1998 Frontier. I drove around all day, and my gas needle didnt move. I didnt even do any adjustments to my O2 sensors or anything.
Its not as dangerous as a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle, as the hydrogen is made ON DEMAND and immediatly sucked off into the intake manifold.
I had one hose sucking from the HHO contraption into the air box, and another in-line of a vaccume line.
Unfourtunatly I did SOMETHING wrong.. (Too much baking soda in the mixture most likely..) and the whole thing melted down =[
I would deffinatly reccomend looking into this!

Btw, I know this is my first post.. But I, also not a spammer, am just new here! Hello everyone! lol

 

[mchu519]

2001 Integra HHO Project

Are there any updates to your HHO project?

I am currently working on an HHO (water4gas) system for my 2001 Acura Integra (5 speed) and have thoroughly searched for any information on here, but to no avail. I will probably be flamed by the naysayers, but thats ok. The purpose here is to get more info for this project so it goes smoothly and if anyone else is interested in pursuing this idea we can grow as a group. The astronomical price of gas today and the governments inability (in cahoots w/the oil companies) to respond to have me looking to fight back.

My car currently gets 30-35 mpg, and with the HHO system installed and the fuel leaned out I'm hoping to increase that to >50 mpg...which should be easily obtainable. I have my cells (6) built and am ready to install as soon as I figure the proper route of bypassing/overriding the oxygen sensors to lean out the fuel mixture prior to HHO installation. I've seen/heard numerous ways to do this and this is what I'm confused about.

1) Cover the O2 sensors w/aluminum foil - this idea was promoted by an instructor and he mentioned that the sensors are designed to operate at 660 degrees, by covering them w/foil, the sensors do not sense the increase in oxygen due to HHO being injected. The cars engine runs cooler and this overrides info fed to the controller. I question this because if the engine runs cooler, how can the 660 degree operating temp. be satisfied?

2) Use of oxygen sensor extenders - like a spark plug extender, only used to pull the probe farther away from the exhaust gases so it does'nt detect the increase in the amount of oygen being injected and therefore is satisfied. I agree with this idea, and with the amount of O2 extenders for sale on ebay, this must be a proven way for some people. However my question w/this idea is if the HHO system is switched "off" which I want that option, will this extender system still work in the stock mode, or will I get some sort of trouble light.

3) Use of a EFIE fuel enhancer management system - I found them for sale (prices range from ($15-49) and this is a controller module that is wired into the O2 sensors that allow for the "stock" or "enhanced" mode. It controls the millivole level to an extremely precise level. What I like about this idea is you can lean the setting out in the stock mode to maximize the mpg's before the installation of the HHO( ALL ENGINES RUN RICH), then when the HHO is installed it gives maximum efficiency in both modes. A little control module is mounted in the drivers area for quick access. I don't like the price for this system, but if it works as well as it claims, the cost will be recouped in a month or two.

That's it for now, this is a work in progress. When I get my Integra HHO system working, I'm looking forward to doing the same with my '93 Ford F-150 Extended Cab. There's ample room in the engine compartment for the Hydrogen cells, so I'm licking my chops for that project! But the Acura comes first. For the naysayers I suggest you visit youtube and watch the hydrogen cells that are produced that are run to an open jar w/soap solution on top...the bubbles formed are like little m-80's when ignited! Just type in HHO and watch the links provided, you'll see my point.

Thanks for any and all responses to this thread, all info is greatly appreciated,

Jim