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Royal_DA
Royal
Seriously??? lol Prozon owned Death-the-kid...
What happened in this awesome battle:
Death-the-kid: My Stock LS/V makes more hp and tq then an ITR with only work on the head
Prozon: No way in HELL an LS/V is making more anything then an ITR.
Death-the-kid: Ignoring statement from prozon. Giving dynos and vids that don't show Sh*t. (IMO post a vid where we actually see your car making that not just a vid w/ separate chart. Why? Could be manipulated? I think yes)
Prozon: Why you ignoring my Post yo? I said your stock LS/V is not making more then an ITR
Death-the-kid: LS/V isn't stock genius.
Prozon: when i say stock i mean Stock Block & Head
Both: lose sight at the issue and start arguing for pages. Issue being that Death-the-kid said his LS/V making more then a ITR.
Prozon: Posts charts proving everything said by Death-the-kid was wrong
Death-the-kid: Blah. Blah.
Both: We cool? Sure... Hug it out? Sure...
But honestly guys it was very entertaining. IMO Prozon is in the right.:thumbs up
Death-the-Kid
anta honma ni shinude
first off why are you still talking about this but to clear things up.
that dyno chart was from that session. If you do not believe me call Steve Pearson at PSI Pro in lansdale PA. No manipulation. Go ahead and record the phone call if you like or skype chat them or whatever. My name is Marques Roberts. He never posted a chart of a "stock" ITR? he posted a modified ITR making more power... LOL.
Here is their facebook page. go ahead and ask for the world to see
https://www.facebook.com/PSIPROformance?ref=ts
better yet here is the home page with phone number
http://www.psiproformance.com/index.php
215-361-7100
Again the guy who tuned my car Is Steve Pearson you can look him up on facebook. he tunes a 1000 whp r35 and a 9 second street tire evo and that's not even half of it. tunes everything. Neo vvl converted(vtec) sr20det spa turbo for his street 240
my engine is as follows:
oh look my friend tj's 500whp kswapped turbo hatch in the background.
OH LOOk my friend scott detweiler's 500whp S2K^^^ i'll post pics of that if you think that's BS as well...
Built head, supertech valve train, skunk 2 tuner 2 cams, jun cam gears, Stock LS block save for rod bolts and head studs, aebs intake manifold. still running strong. compression is 145, 145, 152, 155 and it's mated to an LS trans with b16 3/4/5 gear and a type R FD. I've been doing this for 8-9 years now. this is my 4th integra and 5th honda out of 11 cars total. i don't know how i can be wrong with a dyno and a video. car only made 145whp before tuning session on s***ty ass crome since the old tune sucked and cam gears weren't adjusted properly . switched to ECTUNE and adjusted the cam gears and you get the dyno graph you see today. I have only gotten this car tuned once so i only have 1 dyno. when i get the car torn down in a month or two. i will take pictures just for you of the internals. Car is getting sent to the shop hopefully next month for forged bottom end build to 10.5:1 and then boost. A tuning shop in Reading PA will most likely be the ones doing the build. the name is "Angel Built" in reading PA. Ask him if i'm crazy 484-671-2711. they just had a b-series making 550-600whp on stock sleeves
http://www.angelbuiltperformance.com/ They will probably also be building my Eg hatch for me as well.
I just walked an FR-S, new v6 eclipse, and Rx-8 on the way to NYC last night coming through New Jersey. show me where i was owned in my statement.... I'm not some little forum tuner who has to make up stories to feel cool to a bunch of nameless individuals that i will most likely never meet.
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Royal_DA
Royal
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Rhetorical question. Obviously I'm talking about this because I want to clear things up for myself. Curiosity Bro.
IMO you got owned. I don't have to justify my opinion
Just answer me these questions to clarify.
Are you stating that your LS/V (with a built head) make more hp & tq then an ITR stock?
what is your hp & tq? 179hp 135tq?
Horsepower: 195 @ 8200 rpm
Torque: 130ft.-lbs @ 7500 rpm
Royal_DA
Royal
Death-the-Kid
anta honma ni shinude
what are you 12 ? " i don't have to justify my factless statement to you nor do i have to prove it" is what you're saying?x2
Rhetorical question. Obviously I'm talking about this because I want to clear things up for myself. Curiosity Bro.
IMO you got owned. I don't have to justify my opinion
Just answer me these questions to clarify.
Are you stating that your LS/V (with a built head) make more hp & tq then an ITR stock?
what is your hp & tq? 179hp 135tq?
Horsepower: 195 @ 8200 rpm
Torque: 130ft.-lbs @ 7500 rpm
i like how you're declaring something you obviously don't understand... like how to read a dyno. my dyno shows 180whp......why are you listing ITR crank numbers? you do realize that integra type r's only make 160-165 whp right? and their tq is like 110wtq..... lets put it this way. if you do the simple math.. 180whp = 211 crank hp.... itr like you said makes 195 crank hp.... now do you realize how stupid you sound?
And yes this was made with a stock b18b bottom end save for rod bolts and head studs. i even listed my compression numbers . i guess you missed this post?
why don't you do me a favor and call a professional shop like i already suggested.. you can't even read a dyno plot properly what makes you think you know anything about engines.
Better yet message the member "ALL MOTOR" his name is derek dunbar. he builds race engines and custom cams... why don't you ask him instead of talking out of your ass?
here is facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/allm0t0r?ref=ts...
again ask an engine builder or any reputable professional shop of your choosing or better yet why don't you come back in several years when you might have a clue.
want me to school you on s-chassis vehicles too? since you seem to be fond of them as well?... had a built redtop with g2860rs and cp internals
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Royal_DA
Royal
HAHA wow do you even know the difference between a statement and an opinion?
Statement does involve facts you are correct.
Opinion is a POV. What someone believes to be true. Key word here In-case you can't catch it is BELIEVES
So no. That is not what I was saying. Thus my previous statement. I do not need to justify my OPINION. LOL.
I gave you my definition of an opinion and a statement. Think about responding to this one or agree.
Anyways I don't need you telling me what I know and don't know. ha I already knew i didn't know how to read a Dyno
. But the point here is that you keep on avoiding the question buddy. Let me break it down for you. I'll dumb it down just for you. If you can answer this good. If not then I have no more questions or comments on this EPIC thread lol
Does your LS/V make more hp and tq then an ITR? [yes/no]
And what is the hp and tq on your LS/V? Since I can't read the Dyno like you said lol :lol:
Royal_DA
Royal
Oh and you should have posted something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03dQfPBgpOE 2:03-3:15
Death-the-Kid
anta honma ni shinude
HAHA wow do you even know the difference between a statement and an opinion?
Statement does involve facts you are correct.
Opinion is a POV. What someone believes to be true. Key word here In-case you can't catch it is BELIEVES
So no. That is not what I was saying. Thus my previous statement. I do not need to justify my OPINION. LOL.
I gave you my definition of an opinion and a statement. Think about responding to this one or agree.
Anyways I don't need you telling me what I know and don't know. ha I already knew i didn't know how to read a Dyno
Let me break it down for you. I'll dumb it down just for you. If you can answer this good. If not then I have no more questions or comments on this EPIC thread lol
Does your LS/V make more hp and tq then an ITR? [yes/no]
And what is the hp and tq on your LS/V? Since I can't read the Dyno like you said lol :lol:[
what the hell were you babbling about with opinion vs facts?...
I've answered this question dozens of times now. where did i avoid the question? i even posted a color coded picture for you.... what don't you get? i said yes it does make more power than an ITR.... did you not notice the part at the bottom of the dyno where it states my HP/TQ. how are you the one person that missed it? are you really this stupid? it clearly says on my final pull since it has 2 of the many pulls on there. that i made 180.14whp and 133 wtq.
what are you even arguing about at this point or are you just babbling in circles about nothing? like i said stop being an e-troll and go call a professional shop for crying out out. at this point i've given you 3 separate independent shops for you to call and you have yet to do so. how much more up front can i be? did you not understand my response where you started quoting crank HP numbers for a type r? you stated a type r makes 195 hp which proved my point since 195 hp equates to about 165whp? which would put my crank hp at 211hp?
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Death-the-Kid
anta honma ni shinude
dude it was a last minute cellphone video.... i can't walk around their entire shop doing an full on video production with a camcorder. that's why i'm standing away from the rollers during the dyno run.... are you retarded? I was a customer there and i was lucky they let me take the video i did. customers are not allowed back there due to liablity issues. this is the real world not fast and the furious lol
i wasn't thinking i would have to put up a full video documentary to appease the few mildly retarded forum tuners like yourselves who clearly do not understand how things work. that's why they hand you a dyno plot when you are done. really you can't be this stupid can you?
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Royal_DA
Royal
HA i knew you wouldn't understand. Go and read it again.
yeah yeah. 165whp because it losed 17% blah blah blah. You're still making less then an ITR.
Death-the-Kid
anta honma ni shinude
the reason i have no idea what you are talking about is because you didn't even get your own definitions correct. a statement is nothing more than a declaration and opinion is a point of view. if you "state your opinion" then you are declaring your opinion. neither is guaranteed to be a fact.
What is written below is a "fact"
I've provided proof, pictures, and a video as well as common sense backed by mathematics that anybody with a working brain can understand. i've even provided you with phone numbers and names of people who professionally build race cars and run their own businesses. you can't really be this retarded.
Type R makes 195 crank hp or 165whp and no that's not 17% (we are not rwd)
My car makes 211 crank hp which equates to 180whp
even simple arithmetic escapes you...
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anta honma ni shinude
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