Drop the speed limit to 55mph and help fight terrorism, lower gas prices, help earth!
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TheIVJackal
Freedom through Jesus
Xjo, please go away as you are clearly not reading what I am writing. I provided two sources in my last statement...
Superhyped, I am actually a Politics major and that is something I plan on doing in the future!
Klutch, I miss read what you wrote, my bad.
Zawn, I saw that on mythbusters and was pretty surprised! Bikes dont really have Cat's so it makes sense.
Interesting observation Tegsox, thanks for the input
Superhyped, I am actually a Politics major and that is something I plan on doing in the future!
Klutch, I miss read what you wrote, my bad.
Zawn, I saw that on mythbusters and was pretty surprised! Bikes dont really have Cat's so it makes sense.
Interesting observation Tegsox, thanks for the input
Ryan659
Active Member
Aw man, I didn't even get mentioned. I must have been right since no one can prove I'm wrongXjo, please go away as you are clearly not reading what I am writing. I provided two sources in my last statement...
Superhyped, I am actually a Politics major and that is something I plan on doing in the future!
Klutch, I miss read what you wrote, my bad.
Zawn, I saw that on mythbusters and was pretty surprised! Bikes dont really have Cat's so it makes sense.
Interesting observation Tegsox, thanks for the input
So you're in college? Do you reference in your college papers? Have you taken any group communication or arguementation courses?
XjoEnX
Active Member
Go away?? Don't taze me bro. Yeah, you would be horrible as a politician if you can't handle what I'm throwing your way. You're a politics major? Deal with what I'm responding with then instead of telling me to go away.Xjo, please go away as you are clearly not reading what I am writing. I provided two sources in my last statement...
Superhyped, I am actually a Politics major and that is something I plan on doing in the future!
Klutch, I miss read what you wrote, my bad.
Zawn, I saw that on mythbusters and was pretty surprised! Bikes dont really have Cat's so it makes sense.
Interesting observation Tegsox, thanks for the input
Politicians deal with people way worse than me all the time but it looks like you're already cracking under pressure. I will never vote for anyone in the future with your name for that reason alone.
And I don't think you're reading what I'm writing. I've continued to pick apart your argument with the exact same reasons I've been using since I discovered this thread. I've read everything in this thread and thought "critically" about it. Yes you provided two sources, but if you read my response, I stated that none of those have relevance to your original conceptual theory of terrorism funding. Your credibility continues to go downward. Your the politician that everyone is throwing fruit at, the one whose speech got interrupted with a dildo chopper, and the one who had a shoe thrown at him. I'll go back to my reasoning: provide a credible source to make us believe. Stop telling us we're wrong and that you're right when you've shown no reliable form of proof. And if you want me to sink to your political level of telling people to go away because you can't argue against them, then let me tell you to drop this thread and go away yourself. You literally asked a mod to clean your thread and open it back up so you can respond to everyone that they're wrong. How selfish is that?
TheIVJackal
Freedom through Jesus
Xjo, I am making no reference to terrorist funding in those statements because that is not what I am addressing. It appears easier for you to to attack me as a person instead of addressing my points of argument because you're too lazy to do any real research? Well, I am addressing the terrorist question now...
"It is no coincidence that so much of the cash filling terrorists' coffers come from the oil monarchies in the Persian Gulf."
The Institute for the Analysis of Global Security
"Saudi oil revenues have grown in direct parallel: from $2.7 billion in 1972 to $200 billion in 2006 — which will likely exceed $300 billion this year. Much of that money is being used to fund an international network of front organizations and Wahhabist madrassas devoted to spreading terrorist ideology. Meanwhile, Iran is using its share of the take to fund its nuclear bomb program, as well as terrorist groups like Hezbollah."
National Review Online
Didn't realize this was such a scholarly forum that requires its users to quote and reference with such accuracy! Would you like that in MLA, APA, CMS? Next point of contention please...
"It is no coincidence that so much of the cash filling terrorists' coffers come from the oil monarchies in the Persian Gulf."
The Institute for the Analysis of Global Security
"Saudi oil revenues have grown in direct parallel: from $2.7 billion in 1972 to $200 billion in 2006 — which will likely exceed $300 billion this year. Much of that money is being used to fund an international network of front organizations and Wahhabist madrassas devoted to spreading terrorist ideology. Meanwhile, Iran is using its share of the take to fund its nuclear bomb program, as well as terrorist groups like Hezbollah."
National Review Online
Didn't realize this was such a scholarly forum that requires its users to quote and reference with such accuracy! Would you like that in MLA, APA, CMS? Next point of contention please...
OGstackadoIIa
TEAM LlGHTSPEED RACING
Ok, wipe away the pre-cum.
This thread is continuing to go nowhere. We are not going to listen to you and you're not going to listen to us. This is literally a troll thread, that's it. Concern trolling is still trolling, and since he didn't respond to my last post, he obviously has no retort for it. Buy a bike, sell your car, then come talk to us... You do live in Santa Cruz, so it shouldn't be that tough.. Fucking central coast douchebag
This thread is continuing to go nowhere. We are not going to listen to you and you're not going to listen to us. This is literally a troll thread, that's it. Concern trolling is still trolling, and since he didn't respond to my last post, he obviously has no retort for it. Buy a bike, sell your car, then come talk to us... You do live in Santa Cruz, so it shouldn't be that tough.. Fucking central coast douchebag
Ryan659
Active Member
"Organizationally, al-Qaeda is notably and deliberately decen- tralized, compartmentalized, flexible, and diverse in its methods and targets. The same description applies to its financial network. If al-Qaeda were financed only by Osama bin Laden’s personal inher- itance, or only by a small number of state sponsors, and if it were limited in scope to only a small area of the globe, or weren’t con- tinuously replenishing its coffers, the problem would be much eas- ier to solve. Alas, there is not one big pile of al-Qaeda’s loot somewhere, waiting to be discovered and confiscated.
Instead, al-Qaeda’s financial network is characterized by lay- ers and redundancies. It raises money from a variety of sources and moves money in a variety of manners. Much has been written about this recently, although mostly in the form of dense reports from government or multilateral agencies (see Additional Sources of Infor- mation). Following is a brief summary of the most material points"
This comes from the link inside your first link. The majority of the money comes from financial institutions, not OPEC. Again that was from your source you provide.
Instead, al-Qaeda’s financial network is characterized by lay- ers and redundancies. It raises money from a variety of sources and moves money in a variety of manners. Much has been written about this recently, although mostly in the form of dense reports from government or multilateral agencies (see Additional Sources of Infor- mation). Following is a brief summary of the most material points"
This comes from the link inside your first link. The majority of the money comes from financial institutions, not OPEC. Again that was from your source you provide.
Ryan659
Active Member
"Al-Qaeda’s global fund-raising network is built upon a foun- dation of charities, nongovernmental organizations, mosques, websites, intermediaries, facilitators, and banks and other finan- cial institutions. Some whose donations go to al-Qaeda know full well the violent and illicit purposes their money will further. In other cases, donors believe their money will help fund legitimate human- itarian efforts, but the money is nonetheless diverted to al-Qaeda. For years, individuals and charities based in Saudi Arabia have been the most important source of funds for al-Qaeda. And for years, Saudi officials have turned a blind eye to this problem."
Another blurb from your source. If the main source is from donations and financial institutions, driving slower will not make a noticeable dent in terrorist funding. Don't count on the website summarizing the report man. They pick and choose facts to make their point. They never report items stating otherwise.
If you don't believe me, show me where in that 70 page document it states driving slower is a recommendation.
So now that I took apart your source, can we end this!
Another blurb from your source. If the main source is from donations and financial institutions, driving slower will not make a noticeable dent in terrorist funding. Don't count on the website summarizing the report man. They pick and choose facts to make their point. They never report items stating otherwise.
If you don't believe me, show me where in that 70 page document it states driving slower is a recommendation.
So now that I took apart your source, can we end this!
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Ryan659
Active Member
Now for the second source. It does have lots of numbers and logic; but, no credible sources are provided to where he got those numbers from. You have to understand that lots of people spout crap but the only ones worth listening to are ones with sources. I believe your intentions are good and American, however, you are mislead by people's opinions and not by their facts. If you want to say that's your opinion then great, but don't try to argue that it's fact when your sources of information is an opinion based article and a website that incorrectly summarizes a 70 page report.
TheIVJackal
Freedom through Jesus
I appreciate your return to some decency Ryan and not just a continuation of flat-out rude and condescending posts... I can continue to find sources for the connections between terrorists networks and OPEC as they are out there but I think I’m done addressing that point unless someone posts something new.
Depending on how you define terrorism, I personally use a rather broad definition of it, OPEC through its setting of how much oil they will produce has been deemed by some to be a form of Economic Terrorism. A Lawyer here in the US has sued Opec for what he calls Economic Terrorism for basically price fixing so that we have to pay more for our gas which in turn gives them more wealth. I remember OPEC saying that $4 is where they would like to keep the price per gallon in the US because that is the max we are willing to pay before making lifestyle changes.
Let’s not forget that Iraq and Iran are part of OPEC. We just got out of a war with Iraq where much of the money they had to fight back with came from the US buying their oil. Iran is threatening our allies and we may one day go to war with them as well. Where did they get all their riches from? American Energy Independence said this which goes directly along with what I have been saying all along, "In the year 2007, over 700 billion dollars flowed into OPEC from oil hungry countries around the world. How much of that money was given to support terrorist organizations?" Also, when I talk about terrorism, I am talking about global terrorism, not just that which affects the USA.
Do I honestly believe that the entire US will decide to drive 55mph? No I do not. If at least some of you who come across this thread decide to drive a little more efficiently because of what you now know, then that would make me happy. So far, only one person has posted actual sources (If you want to count Wiki) that challenge what I have said, I don’t want to read any more about what you think of me as I will no longer respond to what you say. It is extremely childish and has no room on this thread. If all you can do is respond in a way that attacks me and not what I have posted or am saying, what does that say about your argument? You don’t have one…
Depending on how you define terrorism, I personally use a rather broad definition of it, OPEC through its setting of how much oil they will produce has been deemed by some to be a form of Economic Terrorism. A Lawyer here in the US has sued Opec for what he calls Economic Terrorism for basically price fixing so that we have to pay more for our gas which in turn gives them more wealth. I remember OPEC saying that $4 is where they would like to keep the price per gallon in the US because that is the max we are willing to pay before making lifestyle changes.
Let’s not forget that Iraq and Iran are part of OPEC. We just got out of a war with Iraq where much of the money they had to fight back with came from the US buying their oil. Iran is threatening our allies and we may one day go to war with them as well. Where did they get all their riches from? American Energy Independence said this which goes directly along with what I have been saying all along, "In the year 2007, over 700 billion dollars flowed into OPEC from oil hungry countries around the world. How much of that money was given to support terrorist organizations?" Also, when I talk about terrorism, I am talking about global terrorism, not just that which affects the USA.
Do I honestly believe that the entire US will decide to drive 55mph? No I do not. If at least some of you who come across this thread decide to drive a little more efficiently because of what you now know, then that would make me happy. So far, only one person has posted actual sources (If you want to count Wiki) that challenge what I have said, I don’t want to read any more about what you think of me as I will no longer respond to what you say. It is extremely childish and has no room on this thread. If all you can do is respond in a way that attacks me and not what I have posted or am saying, what does that say about your argument? You don’t have one…
Samurai_Blue
Yolo Whippin'
buy vallero gas its californian grown.
94RS
No fucks given.
According to him, you don't have an argument, Cole. You just wasted a post talking to a broken record player.
And this right here ^.... If I remember right, before this thread was cleaned up, you were doing the same thing by going off topic and started to "attack" the one guy because he wasn't a Christian and doesn't believe the same s*** that you do...
