I thought there was no such thing as stock?
Yeah- there is. I even broke it down. STOCK LS BOTTOM END, STOCK VTEC HEAD.
i said no such thing as a stock lsvtec engine. the head in question was stock..... an lsvtec is not stock since lsvtec never came factory. the head is set to factory specs. the fact that there are 3 different variants of lsvtec and that it never came from the factory as a real motor then there is no such thing as a "stock ls vtec"
I should clarify a few things- I keep saying GSR when I really just mean
Vtec heads in general. When referring to gsr's having more potential- you will see a non Vtec rocker assembly being a lot more unstable when you're making more then 600hp. One of the many reasons you don't actually see many non v motors making that much.
the main reason you don't see 600np non-vtec engines is because their head flow is s***. even a worked non-vtec head will not outflow a stock vtec head. it's all about the cfm. not their rocker arms. you throw rocker arms with revs not hp.
You're a very difficult kid to debate with- any time I throw something into the mix you ignore it completely or tell me to go read a magazine. Try debating without trying to break down your opponent, sport.
there is no debate. you talking out of your butt and haven't provided any proof to back anything up that you have said. you simply refuse to listen. i give you facts and examples from real life experiences and other sources. other members have even chimed in yet you live in your delusional bubble and
proceed to spread mis-information
I never said your motor was half assed, now did I? I said LS/V's in stock form are. Stock being an unmodified LS bottom end with an unmodified Vtec head. It doesn't take a genius to know that a built head is going to make more power in the end.
they make the same hp if not more than a gsr with more tq with stock parts. how is that half-assed? a gsr in stock form is also half-assed then. 142-145whp in pristine condition and 110wtq? yeah that sounds impressive and they only cost $2500
stock head from one motor and stock bottom from another motor doesn't make the motor stock. especially when there are three different variants with 3 different results. i think this concept escapes you.
and i compared my engine to an equally modified itr with higher compression it made 6 more hp than me that's it and i have the WRONG CAMS. the only power upgrade i have save for boltons is my cams and i have too low of a compression to really utilize them which puts me at a disadvantage. especially being under 10:1 compression.
Your only argument here is that it's not half assed because you can build them to make power.
Once again- you could build full C1's or the like to make more. Go flip through Evans dyno sheets and find me one LS/V making more power then all the others. You can't.
No my argument is you can't make blanket statements because of your own ignorance and lack of experience. saying that a said motor is half-assed when it's been proven time and time again otherwise. and my remark was in reference to you saying that an lsvtec will never be on par with gsr in terms of using stock parts for initial power or aftermarket parts for potential higher hp. which is a ludicrous statement because they can use the same parts.
Bottom line- if they were meant to be they would have been. The bottom end isn't set up to make power with a Vtec head, and it's obvious by the numerous "builds" that are making less power then the full counterparts.
now i know you have no idea what you're talking about? their bottom ends weren't setup to make HP? lol you've gotta be kidding me. they have the same hp limitations from the factory as a gsr. LMAO are you kidding me? a stock gsr and a stock ls both hit the limit of reliability around 300whp. who told you that it wasn't setup for hp. the only weak point they have is the rod bolts which isn't an issues until you start wanting to consistantly hit 8K+rpms. now that made me laugh. do you have paul walker giving you advice or something? and if it was meant to come that way from the factory? and newsflash dude. any build will not make the desired power if not built properly. so what's your point. where are these numerous numerous builds that are falling apart and not making power?
Bottom line- if they were meant to be they would have been. .
ummm none of our engines were meant to have upgraded parts from the factory hence why that statement is just retarded. then again this is coming from the guy that thinks all vtec heads are the same.
Yeah- you can make power by building them. But so can anything.
Now read that four or five times before you respond again.
once was enough. i can't stand to lose anymore brain cells. it's evident you've never actually modified an engine before or been around quality builds. and you just contradicted yourself yet again. anything can make power when built but a gsr will always make more power than an lsvtec build?
and how does more stroke and more displacement which means more volumetric capacity with the same head flow equate to less power ? engine is an air pump. more air equals more what? i'll let you think about it.
