Is Vtec worth it..?

[Samurai_Blue]

Oh yes, let us clarify that as well. Crvtec is the only other acceptable variation. That uses a block from the crv (b20) mated with a vtec head in the same manner as lsvtec. Which also shares the 89mm stroke.

this is also known as B20Vtec or B20V

 

[hgocasca]

this is also known as B20Vtec or B20V

Very true

 

[01TegLuv]

The b18A/B is a hard motor to get power out of, but since its a daily driver you can do a few things, a bolt on turbo with 7psi on a t3 turbo will give you good results. Also for NA, you can do cams, pistons, intake manifold etc. I suggest a crower 402 cam with PR3 pistons to give you extra compression that with a dyno tune and supporting modifications should get you into the 145/150whp range where a stock ls is probably 130whp 120whp.



you just got mild thread jacked, he did make his own thread. dont worry youre good.

Nice, thanks! I'm going to look into those pistons and intake manifold. Im staying NA for now. for cams what you suggest? AEM, HKS?

thanks again

lol its kool

 

[01TegLuv]

I need to clear up some confusion from the earlier parts of this thread.....

There is no such thing as rsvtec or gsvtec, there is only lsvtec. They call it this because the ls motor, is a longer stroke (hence "ls") motor than its vtec counterparts. So the real term is long stroke vtec, simplified by "lsvtec". All you're doing is taking a block with a longer stroke and applying a head with better flow and vtec. So please, everyone start correcting these newcomers and yourselves for that matter. Idk why, but its annoying to see those other false terms

ok, i thought it was just an Ls block and vtec head and thats why it was called that..

 

[01TegLuv]

A intake, spark plugs, cam gears, discap, they all arent really power modders. Intakes on 4 cylinder engines are about as worthless as changing your airfilter to a clean one, there are no real gains to be had. Unfortunately the only way to make power on these cars is with mods that require money be invested, every single power added requires some sort of tuning, and that costs money.



B18C's are hardly glorified B16's, the B16 is a damn near backwards motor with a 81x77 rod/stroke, where B18C's actually make power the B16 does not, anything short of putting that thing in a gokart tube frame or a shifter kart it is a pointless engine to mod, most of them dont make power till after 7000rpm and what power then do make below that is typically under 100hp. I see people bragging all the time on HT, 500whp B16 daily driven, yeh of course its daily driven, it makes 37whp @ 5500 rpm. I wouldnt even want to daily drive that because it would be too slow for me driving around town.

If say even an intake is 5hp or less and spark plugs and extra 2 and so on, adding all mods together should gain me more horsepower, if 20 or even 10hp up from stock is an improvement for me, im not looking to build a track monster, ppl keep suggesting things like im building a track car. again I have a dd that i want to make perform a little better is all.

And correct me if im wrong, eventhough i dont contest against what you say. I thought there were spark plugs out there, i forget the name, that explode more of the fuel in the cylinder which gives a little more power.

 

[hgocasca]

an explosion is an explosion it just combusts, no spark plug is gonna make it combust better than the other, blows up or it doesn't....

 

[Samurai_Blue]

Nice, thanks! I'm going to look into those pistons and intake manifold. Im staying NA for now. for cams what you suggest? AEM, HKS?

thanks again

lol its kool

AEM only makes intakes and ecus. HKS makes exhausts and turbos. CROWER and BRIAN CROWER are the only non vtec cams. you can take your pick. PR3 pistons came from a b16 and fit directly on the rod without modification unlike the other VTEC pistons

If say even an intake is 5hp or less and spark plugs and extra 2 and so on, adding all mods together should gain me more horsepower, if 20 or even 10hp up from stock is an improvement for me, im not looking to build a track monster, ppl keep suggesting things like im building a track car. again I have a dd that i want to make perform a little better is all.

And correct me if im wrong, eventhough i dont contest against what you say. I thought there were spark plugs out there, i forget the name, that explode more of the fuel in the cylinder which gives a little more power.

thats bs. People say irridium is better, but i would stick with regular plugs unless you have a high compression motor

an explosion is an explosion it just combusts, no spark plug is gonna make it combust better than the other, blows up or it doesn't....

spark plug heat does matter though. The V Power 7 Series from NGK are the only ones ive had with this motor that havent been scorn on the tip higher compression need a cooler plug.

 

[hgocasca]

I meant as far as different brands , no brand outperforms another as far as significant gains

 

[Samurai_Blue]

I meant as far as different brands , no brand outperforms another as far as significant gains

ooooh gotcha! I was actually impressed with my irridiums in my LS. They lasted for 3 years being soaked in oil hahaha they were awesome.

for the OP the rule of thumb is this:

its a japanese motor use japanese plugs like NGK or Denso
Wires people use a whole range, i use Accel, alot use NGK or OEM or even MSD.

 

[hgocasca]

 

[dlo253]

I need to clear up some confusion from the earlier parts of this thread.....

There is no such thing as rsvtec or gsvtec, there is only lsvtec. They call it this because the ls motor, is a longer stroke (hence "ls") motor than its vtec counterparts. So the real term is long stroke vtec, simplified by "lsvtec". All you're doing is taking a block with a longer stroke and applying a head with better flow and vtec. So please, everyone start correcting these newcomers and yourselves for that matter. Idk why, but its annoying to see those other false terms

THANK YOU! I tried Haha, seems like my advice got thrown out the window tho.

 

[hgocasca]

Happens a lot around here

 

[dlo253]

All too much..

 

[Kyle]

Personally I'd do just a little fine tuning to it, some Crower 402 cams, a trans swap with a lighter flywheel and slightly upgarded clutch, a header and an upgraded air filter. A nice midrange bump in power and a car that will still get good MPGs. And it won't break the bank.

 

[01TegLuv]

AEM Cam Gears
http://www.amazon.com/AEM-23-800BK-Black-Tru-Time-Adjustable/dp/B002YXCSLU

HKS Cam Gears
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/mm5/graphics/engine/hks_cam_gear.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=HKS-CG&h=268&w=268&sz=17&tbnid=w4H9mYqTOo-PBM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=93&zoom=1&docid=ZOVHvbaS29dPHM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-aI8T8TOFaT20gHj5fXwBw&ved=0CDYQ9QEwAA&dur=338

AEM Exhaust
http://www.amazon.com/AEM-600-0100-Aftermarket-Exhaust/dp/B004WMOLN4

AutoLite Performance Iridium SP
http://www.amazon.com/Autolite-XP104-Xtreme-Performance-Iridium/dp/B000ET5TC6/ref=sr_1_3?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1329374166&sr=1-3

Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams
http://www.amazon.com/Brian-Crower-BC0201-Stage-Cams/dp/B000H2GN4I/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1329374255&sr=1-1

PR3 Pistons
http://www.ff-squad.com/tech/temp/pistons.htm

BCrower BI1B cams
http://www.briancrower.com/makes/honda/b18ab18b.shtml
http://www.briancrower.com/makes/honda/b18ab18b.shtml