Is Vtec worth it..?

[01TegLuv]

the USDM B18C1 has 170hp rating from the factory @ 7600rpm, and 128 ft lbs of torque, the B18B1 is 142hp @ 6300rpm

The common mistake people make is looking at RAW numbers, not how the engine makes its power, if your doing autox, roading racing, etc and you want a versatile high revving motor that has alot of giddy up in the upper power band then a vtec motor is for you, but for what we call usable power on the street, the GSR suffers immensely. My friend was gung ho about his RSX Type-S when he bought it and now he realizes the disadvantages of a car that makes 26hp @ 3000rpm. Your real world gains in the 1/4 by switching to a GSR are taken away by the fact that it takes so long to get your usable power in such a short range of the power band itself. I would rather have a better rod x stroke ratio and a lower revving motor with a much more usable area of power that pulls across the whole range vs a high revving gokart motor.

Obviously you can get around alot of this if you put work into the motor, tearing apart the internals and replacing it with parts that make up for these disadvantages stock, even on both motors. However the whole idea behind a swap being so worthwhile really isnt all that its cracked up to be for the price.

I totally agree and have been thinking about this throughout my build. Most of the parts I add on, well sometimes, its made for gsr instead of gs eventhough its the same year, the application is different. I drive my car everyday and look for upgrades that give me more power in the lower end range. I just bought an AEM SRI thats made for my car and year and fitment yet they even say on their site its designed for upper rpms, more suitable for a higher revving vtec then a nonvtec that im going to be revving up to 5max in the city or highway. I dont race much. If I do redline its on the highway, ona straight-away, with clearance, and rarely at that.

Im still thinking about staying nonvtec and N/A all motor and starting to lean more towards that option. Just looking for parts right now thatll up my power but in lower rpms, i guess more torque is what im saying. Maybe a CAI is more suitable then a SAI for my motor.

What parts can I get you guys suggest that are moderately easy installs, affordable, and good for a non-vtec lower rpm application? I want to step on my pedal at a greenlight and feel some pull, not have to wait to build up till i get to 5 to feel a tickle

spark plugs? cam gears/shafts? pistons? DisCap? engine internals.

 

[dnaDC2]

idc what anyone says LSV is nice if its a track monster...they are big power makers if built/done right but for DD very unreliable honda makes millions to blueprint and design motors and theres a reason they didnt put a vtec head on the LS or b20...go LST or gsr type r is a glorified b16 IMO...and i had a LST and am in the middle of a gsr swap my driving personally i need to stay away from boost....for the money invested into building a reliable LSV u coulda had a bad ass GSR

 

[01TegLuv]

No track bro, just daily driving/street/highway. what is LST ??

 

[Winki]

No track bro, just daily driving/street/highway. what is LST ??

Stock LS motor with a Turbo

probably cheaper than swapping another motor in there correctly

 

[wjay]

can some one please help....why does my 96 GS-R make a whissle noise under the hood, and idles up n down when its worm?

 

[Winki]

can some one please help....why does my 96 GS-R make a whissle noise under the hood, and idles up n down when its worm?

there is a ring on the back of the throttle body/intake mani area that will need to be adjusted.

 

[wjay]

do i have to take anything apart?

 

[supersilko]

can some one please help....why does my 96 GS-R make a whissle noise under the hood, and idles up n down when its worm?

Sounds like bad sensor that is on the throttle body forgot the name

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[01TegLuv]

why not right this in a new thread..? this has nothing to do with this thread topic

unless this is a result from mal-installation of your intake...

 

[Samurai_Blue]

I totally agree and have been thinking about this throughout my build. Most of the parts I add on, well sometimes, its made for gsr instead of gs eventhough its the same year, the application is different. I drive my car everyday and look for upgrades that give me more power in the lower end range. I just bought an AEM SRI thats made for my car and year and fitment yet they even say on their site its designed for upper rpms, more suitable for a higher revving vtec then a nonvtec that im going to be revving up to 5max in the city or highway. I dont race much. If I do redline its on the highway, ona straight-away, with clearance, and rarely at that.

Im still thinking about staying nonvtec and N/A all motor and starting to lean more towards that option. Just looking for parts right now thatll up my power but in lower rpms, i guess more torque is what im saying. Maybe a CAI is more suitable then a SAI for my motor.

What parts can I get you guys suggest that are moderately easy installs, affordable, and good for a non-vtec lower rpm application? I want to step on my pedal at a greenlight and feel some pull, not have to wait to build up till i get to 5 to feel a tickle

spark plugs? cam gears/shafts? pistons? DisCap? engine internals.

The b18A/B is a hard motor to get power out of, but since its a daily driver you can do a few things, a bolt on turbo with 7psi on a t3 turbo will give you good results. Also for NA, you can do cams, pistons, intake manifold etc. I suggest a crower 402 cam with PR3 pistons to give you extra compression that with a dyno tune and supporting modifications should get you into the 145/150whp range where a stock ls is probably 130whp 120whp.

why not right this in a new thread..? this has nothing to do with this thread topic

unless this is a result from mal-installation of your intake...

you just got mild thread jacked, he did make his own thread. dont worry youre good.

 

[Spawne32]

I totally agree and have been thinking about this throughout my build. Most of the parts I add on, well sometimes, its made for gsr instead of gs eventhough its the same year, the application is different. I drive my car everyday and look for upgrades that give me more power in the lower end range. I just bought an AEM SRI thats made for my car and year and fitment yet they even say on their site its designed for upper rpms, more suitable for a higher revving vtec then a nonvtec that im going to be revving up to 5max in the city or highway. I dont race much. If I do redline its on the highway, ona straight-away, with clearance, and rarely at that.

Im still thinking about staying nonvtec and N/A all motor and starting to lean more towards that option. Just looking for parts right now thatll up my power but in lower rpms, i guess more torque is what im saying. Maybe a CAI is more suitable then a SAI for my motor.

What parts can I get you guys suggest that are moderately easy installs, affordable, and good for a non-vtec lower rpm application? I want to step on my pedal at a greenlight and feel some pull, not have to wait to build up till i get to 5 to feel a tickle

spark plugs? cam gears/shafts? pistons? DisCap? engine internals.

A intake, spark plugs, cam gears, discap, they all arent really power modders. Intakes on 4 cylinder engines are about as worthless as changing your airfilter to a clean one, there are no real gains to be had. Unfortunately the only way to make power on these cars is with mods that require money be invested, every single power added requires some sort of tuning, and that costs money.

idc what anyone says LSV is nice if its a track monster...they are big power makers if built/done right but for DD very unreliable honda makes millions to blueprint and design motors and theres a reason they didnt put a vtec head on the LS or b20...go LST or gsr type r is a glorified b16 IMO...and i had a LST and am in the middle of a gsr swap my driving personally i need to stay away from boost....for the money invested into building a reliable LSV u coulda had a bad ass GSR

B18C's are hardly glorified B16's, the B16 is a damn near backwards motor with a 81x77 rod/stroke, where B18C's actually make power the B16 does not, anything short of putting that thing in a gokart tube frame or a shifter kart it is a pointless engine to mod, most of them dont make power till after 7000rpm and what power then do make below that is typically under 100hp. I see people bragging all the time on HT, 500whp B16 daily driven, yeh of course its daily driven, it makes 37whp @ 5500 rpm. I wouldnt even want to daily drive that because it would be too slow for me driving around town.

 

[Samurai_Blue]

A intake, spark plugs, cam gears, discap, they all arent really power modders. Intakes on 4 cylinder engines are about as worthless as changing your airfilter to a clean one, there are no real gains to be had. Unfortunately the only way to make power on these cars is with mods that require money be invested, every single power added requires some sort of tuning, and that costs money.

it this in reference to a stock motor or not? Because i think the intake makes a difference of a few horse power and it changes where the power is being made.

 

[hgocasca]

I need to clear up some confusion from the earlier parts of this thread.....

There is no such thing as rsvtec or gsvtec, there is only lsvtec. They call it this because the ls motor, is a longer stroke (hence "ls") motor than its vtec counterparts. So the real term is long stroke vtec, simplified by "lsvtec". All you're doing is taking a block with a longer stroke and applying a head with better flow and vtec. So please, everyone start correcting these newcomers and yourselves for that matter. Idk why, but its annoying to see those other false terms

 

[Samurai_Blue]

what about crv vtec

 

[hgocasca]

Oh yes, let us clarify that as well. Crvtec is the only other acceptable variation. That uses a block from the crv (b20) mated with a vtec head in the same manner as lsvtec. Which also shares the 89mm stroke.