would flat valves be that bad?

ssmokeyy

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Im all most done building the motor and would like to add exhuast valves at last min to get safer heat control. Im looking at the supertech HEVN-200F model valves for the exhust. Would they be ok/ The block is the gsr with cp pistons at 9:8.1 ratio and 81.5mm bore with the b16 head so its going to drop it to like 9:4.1 with these valves im trying to bring it back up a little. I would like to be around 9:8.1 or higher around 10.1. I will be at like 350 wheel daily 450 track times. Can i use oem valve locks with these? im buying brand new type r retainers and valve locks.
 

Spawne32

Shut up baby, I know it!
depends on how much they raise the compression ratio, imo it will be fine
 


ssmokeyy

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Thank you for your help and i don't think it would make it that make so they probably help bring it back to the 9:8.1 range since right now im around 9:4.1 and i would like the higher range.
 

Spawne32

Shut up baby, I know it!
as long as your tuned properly for it, you will be fine, just make sure you account for the increase in compression when you mill the head and the block as well
 

ssmokeyy

New Member
i wasn't planing on mill just a resurface to clean it up same with the block even my machinest said the block dosen't need to be milled and he also checked it before he said that. Learning to tune is going to be fun not sure all i tune for comp ratio but i will find out. using neptune rtp for software.
 


Spawne32

Shut up baby, I know it!
unless you have a firm understanding of how ignition and fuel systems work, i never recommend tuning yourself on a brand new motor thats been heavily modified.
 

ssmokeyy

New Member
i have no problem learning and reading. Im a auto tech with ase's. PLus the guys at hrtuning said they have no problem giving me help learning to tune my car and that neptune kinda tunes it self if you do it right. I have been reading alot about tuning and seems to be good info.
 

ALL M0T0R

DDTECHCAMS.COM
Raise the compression a bit. It'll make being boosted more efficient.

This isn't 2001 , running a insanely low amount of compression is dumb now and days.. some of the fastest honda's on the planet run 12.5+CR on boosted motors.
 

Jvest

*GET SHOOK*
Neptune is a great software to tune with just keep in mind just a small tweak in the wrong direction can be disastrous. Depending on boost levels u Need to know what your target lambda is going to be FIRST THING!!
Lookup www.pgmfi.org
It has more info than u can ever read and mostly was written by the original tuners in the Honda game lol.
Dave (blundar)
Jr (Neptune creator)
John cui (Crome creator)
Calvin baanks (eCtune creator)
And many, many more.
All are original members of pgmfi and jr still frequents the forum trying to help people.
Keep in mind it's more of a place to do research and study as not many people post on there anymore.
I hope you know what your getting into before u try to tune a built boosted car.
As I to am a ASE master certified tech and I just thought hell I can pick up a laptop and tune a built boosted car first time no problem!!
Needless to say I was pulling a junk motor a little time later.
If u have any questions/concerns about tuning feel free to pm me as I don't mind helping people so they don't go thru what I did the first time.
Gold luck and have fun.
Keep in mind a motor with higher comp is going to be harder to tune (ESPECIALLY YOUR FIRST)
As your going to have less room for error. Work from rich to lean and don't tune timing on the street without some sort of device to hear/see detonation. A DET CAN works really well for me although u do look like a complete idiot driving around with ear muffs and a garden hose running to the side of your head lmao.
Keep the tune safe and take your time and all will hopefully go well
 

ssmokeyy

New Member
thank you for the info. I have read alot of info on pgmfi.org all ready and still go back to read more i also go to hrtuning and just read every ones post to get to know neptune and normal problems but great tunes. Im planing on going slow starting with tuning the motor with no boost than 5 pounds of boost and go up from there. The reason i want to get the flat valves is because i want to be around 9:8.1 right now with my setup i will be around 9:4.1 and i think the flat exhust vavles will bring me up a little im keeping dish style for the intake valve. I have a dyno close that i can use sometimes so when i get rady to really start building alot of power i can check my work out. I just ordered itr cams dose any know if its better to leave them at 0,0 or is there a better startin place for them on cam gears? I hear some people say there is to much overlap on them.
 

ALL M0T0R

DDTECHCAMS.COM
thank you for the info. I have read alot of info on pgmfi.org all ready and still go back to read more i also go to hrtuning and just read every ones post to get to know neptune and normal problems but great tunes. Im planing on going slow starting with tuning the motor with no boost than 5 pounds of boost and go up from there. The reason i want to get the flat valves is because i want to be around 9:8.1 right now with my setup i will be around 9:4.1 and i think the flat exhust vavles will bring me up a little im keeping dish style for the intake valve. I have a dyno close that i can use sometimes so when i get rady to really start building alot of power i can check my work out. I just ordered itr cams dose any know if its better to leave them at 0,0 or is there a better startin place for them on cam gears? I hear some people say there is to much overlap on them.
Most people run all motor cams on boosted setups because overlap isn't as bad as people think..

itr cams are a good start..they use stock centerlines, leave them @ 0/0
 
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