turbo 800 bucks, is it worth it?

[daddy]

ok for the ppl out there who really know their stuff. A friend of mine has a greddy Td05-18G turbo with the engine manifold, turbo, downpipe, intercooler and, boost controller. Will this fit my b18b1? And another thing how can you tell if the turbo really is in good condition? Is there like any kinda test u can do to it. (besides hooking it up to a car) ? I know absolutly nothing about turbo's but this is what he said he has for 800$, and is it worth that? Also is that everything i will need to hook up and use the turbo or is there something else thats missing i need? Thanks

 

[BrokenTalon27]

You need to search man. There is a lot of info you need, and you can't expect everyone to spell it all out for you . I suggest you try researching on here, Honda Tech, and Google then ask for clarification on any questions you have.

There is a lot more to boosting your car than just bolting the turbo to your car.
You have to find out if the manifold is flanged for the b18 head. The 18G is a Mits turbo, but there are exhaust manifolds out there for the b18 and an 18g.
Check the turbo for shaft play.
You also have to get larger injectors, a new ECU that is socketed and chipped, and get it tuned.
There is more to it, but that a few points to start with.
You have a lot of research a head of you if you really want to do this.

 

[daddy]

actually talon, 3 of the manuals i ordered came today Haynes xtreme customizing acura, How to build Honda B-series Engines, and Performance How to Honda engine swaps. I have done alot of research and of course theres alot more to do. But i havent even began to think about a turbo b/c theres so much money involved. But since this guy came at me with this ive begun to consider it. I asked that question in hopes someone quiet like you would just kinda send me in the right direction of where to start researching. Ive only just started to crave this hobby and ive done alot of learning and reading in the past 8 or so months. I know i have alot, (Years) left of learning to do but google dosent speak directly to me and i know some of you guys really do have all the answers. And i dont plan on just bolting it on. Infact i didnt even know it bolted on, lol. But really Ive already been searching to see what other ppl online are selling them for.

 

[BigMac88]

First of all, he gave you a lot of answers to your question.

If you're given every answer for free, you will not retain it or learn it, you will only take in the answer at face value. If you do research and learn the physics/mechanics/engineering etc. yourself, not only will you have the superficial answer, but you will understand how and why.

A great online tool that I always use is www.howstuffworks.com.

If the manifold won't fit your car, or if it's a crappy design it's not worth it. If the 18g is beat to shit, it's not worth it. In general, you could probably get that setup for $500-$600.

You will also need to tap an oil feed line, get all the piping, get a properly-sized blow-off valve, get a properly-sized wastegate if your friend isn't including one, and get AT LEAST a wideband air/fuel ratio meter+gauge & a piggyback fuel controller for tuning. I highly suggest getting a chipped ecu and tuning with Crome, or getting a Hondata S300. If you really want to go all-out you can get a standalone ecu like the AEM EMS.

The most important part of a build - especially a turbo build - is the tune. Making sure your air fuel mixture is at the proper levels (fuel map) at the proper times (timing & timing map) is the only way to ensure your car is functioning properly and will last.

www.PGMFI.org as well as some of the users on here are excellent resources for tuning questions.

But first, go to www.Howstuffworks.com and find out how a turbo system functions, because judging by your posts (and I'm not trying to be mean when I say this) you don't know what you're doing. But don't worry, I've been at this for a few years and I still have plenty of stuff to learn as well. It's an ever-evolving learning process

Good luck man :thumbs up

 

[daddy]

Well you got me, though i dont think it took a genius to figure that one out. Ive honestly never been the slightest bit interested in being a mechanic or turning a wrench for that matter. But every since i bought this car i havent stopped thinking about all the things i want to do to make it bad ass. So i plan on doing that and i am going to use this site along with all the info. that ive printed up and found all over the internet. Not to mention the books i just bought. Bro Honestly the info both you guys gave me is going in a saved folder. Ive been spending alot of money doing the things i know how to do to this car here lately and now the turbo thing comes up and being that im way behind on all the knowledge and understanding thats behind building a motor that can be best utilized with a turbo , or building an engine with really high comp. thats naturally aspirated, i figured you guys would do what you did and give me some advise and some cool sites that help teach me the things i need to know and be aware of. So thank you both. You guys gave me a better understanding of what im dealing with and the kind of approach i need to take to explore this new idea. everybody has to start somewhere. I know i dont know it all. Thats why im here, and i am willing to learn. I comprehend very well and this is something i really want. When ppl share what they know i take notes not mental notes, i use paper. So everything TAlon said was not a waste. His words will not go down in flames. Yet they will be used to help in the rebuild process of my 93 teg .

 

[daddy]

Oh and yes the E manifold is the one for my b 18. Dude told me that he had it on the same motor in 94 teg. It was already set up for my car b/c in was on one like mine or atleast this is what he tells me. I knew if i put what kind of turbo it was out there someone would know enough to tell me if that turbo would even work for my car. Then i would be that much closer to finding out weather or not this guy is serious. There are many other reasons i asked the Q but that was one and the same theory applies to all the Q ive asked about the turbo.

 

[daddy]

Lmao, Chris Farley line, the greatest!

 

[BrokenTalon27]

First of all, he gave you a lot of answers to your question.

If you're given every answer for free, you will not retain it or learn it, you will only take in the answer at face value. If you do research and learn the physics/mechanics/engineering etc. yourself, not only will you have the superficial answer, but you will understand how and why.

A great online tool that I always use is www.howstuffworks.com.

If the manifold won't fit your car, or if it's a crappy design it's not worth it. If the 18g is beat to shit, it's not worth it. In general, you could probably get that setup for $500-$600.

You will also need to tap an oil feed line, get all the piping, get a properly-sized blow-off valve, get a properly-sized wastegate if your friend isn't including one, and get AT LEAST a wideband air/fuel ratio meter+gauge & a piggyback fuel controller for tuning. I highly suggest getting a chipped ecu and tuning with Crome, or getting a Hondata S300. If you really want to go all-out you can get a standalone ecu like the AEM EMS.

The most important part of a build - especially a turbo build - is the tune. Making sure your air fuel mixture is at the proper levels (fuel map) at the proper times (timing & timing map) is the only way to ensure your car is functioning properly and will last.

www.PGMFI.org as well as some of the users on here are excellent resources for tuning questions.

But first, go to www.Howstuffworks.com and find out how a turbo system functions, because judging by your posts (and I'm not trying to be mean when I say this) you don't know what you're doing. But don't worry, I've been at this for a few years and I still have plenty of stuff to learn as well. It's an ever-evolving learning process

Good luck man :thumbs up

I agree with you on all of that except the piggy back. I don't think it should even be an option. At the very least have a socketed and chipped ECU on Chrome, Uberdata, or ECTune. SAFC's are shit and I don't consider that real tuning.

OP,
Before you even think about buying this turbo, have a compression test and a leak down test done on your motor to make sure it's healthy enough for boost. Once that's done, then you can start thinking about the turbo set up, because if the motor isn't healthy enough for boost, you're looking at a rebuild as well as the turbo kit and tune.

 

[BigMac88]

I agree with you on all of that except the piggy back. I don't think it should even be an option. At the very least have a socketed and chipped ECU on Chrome, Uberdata, or ECTune. SAFC's are shit and I don't consider that real tuning.

OP,
Before you even think about buying this turbo, have a compression test and a leak down test done on your motor to make sure it's healthy enough for boost. Once that's done, then you can start thinking about the turbo set up, because if the motor isn't healthy enough for boost, you're looking at a rebuild as well as the turbo kit and tune.

^^^This

And I definitely agree, I would never bring a piggyback within 10 feet of my car. I wanted to lay out the entire spectrum of options so he could research all of them, but you are absolutely right - piggybacks are junk.

 

[sexystover]

just so you understand any turbo will work on a car as long as the manifold design allows it to be mounted on it. i also have turbo stuff for sale such as a bseries manifold and turbo and other misc stuff so let me know if your interested, also i agree you should get a compression and leakdown test before boosting otherwise you might be throwing your money away

 

[daddy]

right on. Thanks again guys and i have been readin up. And i will let you know if im interested in the turbo stover. ( What kinda turbo do you have just out of curiosity though.) I really appreciate everyones help. i DONT

 

[sexystover]

i have a bseries manifold (will fit your car), with a t3 flange and a t3 turbo its a garrett tb0363, good for around 15-20 psi at most i was told, no shaft play. and i also have a megasquirt, injectors, fuel pressure regulator, oil line and some other small stuff. let me know if you want it, the only major stuff you will need an intercooler, piping, boost controller, and either an external wastegate or if you use the stock one on the turbo you need a block off plate for the manifold (i can make the block off plate if you want)