NEED HELP - Installing Clifford Matrix RS 3.5 - [ lots of pics ]

[DailyDB8]

Hey wassup guys, again i started another project since the last one is on stand by. Recently picked up the pager alarm for a good deal. I've installed alarms before but nothing like this. I mainly need info on what part is what, and where and how the wires need to be connected. I'm new to this new relay they have for the starter/remote start, HOWEVER I DO NOT PLAN TO USE THE REMOTE START.



First off, the car already has a old school python alarm with your basic functions, starter kill, shock sensor, and your keyless entry. So upgrading to the clifford should be straight forward until i i come across the new accessories they added. I tend to take a while to understand the diagrams, if i stare at it long enough i can probably understand it... but who know how long that'll take... lol.

the big relay that is connected to the brain, it branches off to 2 other harnesses and is where i'm sorta confused, i'm thinking this big relay is the starter kill and the remote start, but i dunno which harness/wires to use. is says "eXetreme Capacity Relay Satelite". SO IS IT A RELAY FOR THE REMOTE START OR STARTER KILL OR BOTH?

another thing is i wondered how the hood pin works? there seems to be an wire for it on the brain... but do i need a relay or something?



I WILL INCLUDE MORE PICS IN A FEW MINTUES, i plan on removing some of the under dash panels to get a better view of where the wires are. i like to plan myself before i do anything. SO ANY HELP / INPUT / LINKS / DIAGRAMS would really be appreciated :thumbup:

 

[DailyDB8]

TTT... i'm begining to think i dont need to install this relay unless i am using the remote starter?...... anyone know? and i'm guessing these new brains have a built in starter kill?

 

[DailyDB8]

bump cause i'm stumped on the extra harness/wires for the relay. i will post more pics and diagrams and stuff

 

[Kuchtaboy]

oh man... thats a lot of wires. The satilite part makes me think its remote start, but don't take my word on it...

 

[DailyDB8]

oh man... thats a lot of wires. The satilite part makes me think its remote start, but don't take my word on it...

did a lot of researching and it appears that the relay is both the starter kill and the remote start... now i gotta figure out which wires does what and goes where... after staring at the instructions for awhile... its sorta comming together... lol... very slowly

 

[TegSox]

OK bud, I'm here. Sorry it took so long to hit up your thread, been working and doing Thanksgiving stuff.

That relay box is for the remote starter. The relay for the starter kill would be a separate relay, and it will be an actual relay, not just a box (It'll have a yellow wire and a green wire coming out of it, among a couple others).
But even though your not hooking up the remote starter portion, you may still need to hook up the 2 red wires, the 2 large guage ones. Their both constant power wires. Hook one up to the white wire in the ignition harness, and hook the other up to one of the male connectors in the fuse box (Doing that distributes the current draw over 2 separate sources rather than all from one source, potentially blowing factory fuses). One of those males is constant power, don't remember which one though, but I'm positive one of them is cuz I'm using it in my own car for power to the remote starter.
I'm guessing you'll still have to hook them up even though your not planning on hooking up the starter, but I've never installed an alarm/starter combo and not done the starter part, so I'm not positive. There's also a single constant power wire coming directly from the brain (small guage, solid red wire. The ground wire is in the same harness).... that may be all you need to run just the alarm. You can only hook just that up first and see if everything works.

The small harness coming out of the relay box, I'm not sure what all those do, but I'd guess they all have something to do with the remote starter portion, so you probably won't need that whole harness at all. The orange is probably for either dealing with factory alarms or it's for the remote starters anti-grind relay, the blue/black is for a 3rd ignition (which you wouldn't need even if you were doing the starter), what does the manual say for those 4 wires individually?

The hood pin.
You need to find a spot in the bay that will place the pin at the right height so that when the hood is closed it pushed the pin down. Your alarm should have come with a bracket also, you can use that or drill a hole in the bay somewhere to put the pin through, like somewhere along the front of the bay along that flat area.
Yes, you hook up the gray wire to the pin.
When the pin is pushed down = no signal.
When the pin is up = ground signal.
When the brain reads a ground signal on that wire, aka your hood is up, it sets off the alarm.

I can help you all through your install as long as you keep feeding me the info I need to help you out. Tegs are a good car to attempt something like this on, and easier when you already have an old system in there to give you clues! Tegs aern't hard cars when it comes to alarms and starters.

 

[DailyDB8]

super thanks on the info :thumbup: this should be sticked too... very help ful infomation!

btw i still think that relay box has the stater kill cause the green and purple connects to the starter... output/input. unless thats part of the remote start? :what: we'll find out soon.... i'm almost done with partial install jus so the keyless entry works.

 

[DailyDB8]

GYEA!... update... it works... all but the relay box... didn;t hook that up yet.... at least i can get into my car now... lol... everything is shaved on my car.

 

[DailyDB8]

seems like the previous onwer did a shitty job... it sorta works yet the wires are mixed... i open the door when armed... the alarm goes off... but the trunk input appears on the pager. gotta sort it out. i hope you can help me out TEGSOX... and oh yea... the hood pin didn't work... it has its own wire on a different harness lol. i'll post most pics and type up more info on the wiring. thanks for everything you done so far bro :thumbs up:

 

[TegSox]

btw i still think that relay box has the stater kill cause the green and purple connects to the starter... output/input. unless thats part of the remote start?

You could be right, the starter kill may be in that relay box too. I've never actually installed a DEI alarm or starter that has that relay box, I'm just going by the wires I see coming out of it. All the systems I've install had relay packs, a line up of 5 actual relays for the remote starter, then a separate relay for the starter kill, and another single relay for the remote starter anti-grind. Must be less expensive for DEI to use that box than a relay pack. I'd prefer to have the relay pack style because you can manipulate the wiring as needed for certain cars that are out of the norm, and you can take out and keep relays you don't use, which is cool because they cost a few bucks a piece, but anyway....

So the alarm works without hooking up the 2 big red wires?

Does your guage cluster have a separate light for when a door is open and when the trunk is open? If there's only a single thing in the dash that lights up when a door or the trunk is open, they may all be tied in together in the car. (My car has separate trunk and door indicators, but then again my GSR also has a gas light/low gas indicator and I've heard other people with G3 say they don't have a gas light.) So either that or you hooked up the alarm's trunk sensor wire to the door, or the door sensor wire to the trunk.

 

[DailyDB8]

You could be right, the starter kill may be in that relay box too. I've never actually installed a DEI alarm or starter that has that relay box, I'm just going by the wires I see coming out of it. All the systems I've install had relay packs, a line up of 5 actual relays for the remote starter, then a separate relay for the starter kill, and another single relay for the remote starter anti-grind. Must be less expensive for DEI to use that box than a relay pack. I'd prefer to have the relay pack style because you can manipulate the wiring as needed for certain cars that are out of the norm, and you can take out and keep relays you don't use, which is cool because they cost a few bucks a piece, but anyway....

yea i know what you're talking about... its like a small cube relays... thats the relay i'm used to installing cause its straight forward. thats what i've also noticed too... DEI used to have that 5 pack of relays or something... but i guess the new ones use that relay box.. its a good/bad kinda thing i guess.

So the alarm works without hooking up the 2 big red wires?

yes, i just hooked up the 12v constant on the brain main harness to a male plug in the fuse box, i tried tapping into the WHITE ignition wire but there was no power? :what: i 'll post pics later on.

Does your guage cluster have a separate light for when a door is open and when the trunk is open? If there's only a single thing in the dash that lights up when a door or the trunk is open, they may all be tied in together in the car. (My car has separate trunk and door indicators, but then again my GSR also has a gas light/low gas indicator and I've heard other people with G3 say they don't have a gas light.) So either that or you hooked up the alarm's trunk sensor wire to the door, or the door sensor wire to the trunk.

i believe i accidently joined the trunk/dome light when it was supposed to be the door trigger/dome light or something, its not that big of a deal but its managable til i fix it. but yea my guage has a light for the trunk and door. btw g3's have gas lights... but however i never seen mines on... lol. i'm either too scared to go past the EMPTY line or the fuse for it is blown. been in my buddies 94 RS and 98 LS.. they have that gas light

 

[TegSox]

Try the white/black stripe wire for constant, my other sheet says that ones constant power too. You should have a test light to test these things, I don't totally depend on these sheets and break out the test light to verify everything anyway, but there a good guide and are right for most of the things.
You might want to find a more discreet power source for your alarm brain than the fuse box. That'll be easy to spot and yank out in a theft attempt.

Hmmm, I've heard many people say they've never seen a gas light come on in their G3. I bring up my gas light in a thread and people are like "What! You have a gas light?" lol, maybe their bulbs are just burned out:what:

What years your car?

 

[DailyDB8]

Try the white/black stripe wire for constant, my other sheet says that ones constant power too. You should have a test light to test these things, I don't totally depend on these sheets and break out the test light to verify everything anyway, but there a good guide and are right for most of the things.
You might want to find a more discreet power source for your alarm brain than the fuse box. That'll be easy to spot and yank out in a theft attempt.

Hmmm, I've heard many people say they've never seen a gas light come on in their G3. I bring up my gas light in a thread and people are like "What! You have a gas light?" lol, maybe their bulbs are just burned out:what:

What years your car?

thanks for the advice :thumbup:, i was thinking about the whitew/black wire, and yea i should use a test lead instead of splicing/tapping into wires :lol:, but only cause i thought the color wiring was correct.

btw my car is a 94 :thumbup: