External Wastegate ?'s

GSROWNSU

New Member
I was just thinking and looking around and see that a lot of people are putting dump tubes on their external wastegates. What's the purpose of a dump tube? I know it's to guide exhaust gasses out of the engine bay but does it serve any other purpose? Also when a external wastegate opens wouldn't the car get extremily loud because the wastegate is right off of the manifold??? I never hear anyone complaining about their exhaust getting really loud but wouldn't u think that's what happens. It comes right off the manifold and if it's letting exhaust out doesn't it let sound from the combustion chambers out as well?

Thanks,
Dan
 

DC2Integ

I ♥ My Integra
it will sond loud as hell but most at full boost but most people dont have a problem with it.
 

dc2GS-R

Super Moderator
The purpose of seperating them is to prevent the turbulence caused by plumbing them back together which can cause more backpressure and we all know backpressure slows turbo spool. It really isn't that big of a deal if you have a large exhaust and plumb the wastegate back into the downpipe further downstream from the turbo using a good collector. It is just easier to dump it out the side. And yes, it is very loud at full boost and it sounds like complete shit
 

GSROWNSU

New Member
dc2GS-R said:
The purpose of seperating them is to prevent the turbulence caused by plumbing them back together which can cause more backpressure and we all know backpressure slows turbo spool. It really isn't that big of a deal if you have a large exhaust and plumb the wastegate back into the downpipe further downstream from the turbo using a good collector. It is just easier to dump it out the side. And yes, it is very loud at full boost and it sounds like complete shit
soooo then what do u do to prevent that?? route the dump tube back into the exhaust via welding or what? And why do alot of guys do it if it sounds like shit?? I don't want my car to sound shitty everytime i go into boost lol Should i be looking for a turbo with a internal wastegate? (i only want like 7 lbs)
 


mr2 guy

New Member
so the wastegates vented into the atmosphere sound like shit??? Lets say its doing 7 pounds, and theres a 2.5 inch exhaust how bad will the back pressure be? It souldnt make too bad a difference right?
 

dc2GS-R

Super Moderator
GSROWNSU said:
soooo then what do u do to prevent that?? route the dump tube back into the exhaust via welding or what? And why do alot of guys do it if it sounds like shit?? I don't want my car to sound shitty everytime i go into boost lol Should i be looking for a turbo with a internal wastegate? (i only want like 7 lbs)
Yes. Routing back into the exhaust stream in the downpipe is the idea. Most people don't do it because it is just much harder to fabricate wastegate piping that goes from it to the downpipe and merge them smoothly together. It is so much easier to put a simple dump tube on it. If you plan on staying at lower psi, an internal gated turbo will make things alot easier if you don't want to run a dump tube. I think so many people do it because it seems most people (that I see) run turbo's on civics and integras that are too big and, most the time, have external wastegates. They all seem to want a big T3/T4 even if they are only shooting for 220whp, which I don't understand. For example, why would you put a big external gated T3/T4 capable of flowing 450hp with the right supporting mods if you only want 7-10 psi? But there are too many people that do this and are happy living with unnecessary lag and sounding crappy.
mr2 guy said:
so the wastegates vented into the atmosphere sound like shit??? Lets say its doing 7 pounds, and theres a 2.5 inch exhaust how bad will the back pressure be? It souldnt make too bad a difference right?
It does sound kinda crappy at full boost. Think about like 1/3 of your exhaust gas going unmuffled straight out a 1 foot tube :???: I run around 460-475 awhp with my wastegate plumbed back into my downpipe. Of course it is a funky looking custom made downpipe, but it sounds and performs good.
 


mr2 guy

New Member
dc2GS-R is right I guess. Most Honda guys are looking for huge turbos, running on very low power compared to what the turbo is capable of. Thats actually a waste of cash too, buying a big T3/T4 for like 6-7 hundred $, and only pulling in the lower 200's. When I still had my Mr2, I was pulling around 200-210 on a small CT-26 and my kit cost me only like $700( but then again there was a turbo model available). What Im trying to say is smaller turbos will satisfy our lower 200HP needs.
 

mr2 guy

New Member
It does sound kinda crappy at full boost. Think about like 1/3 of your exhaust gas going unmuffled straight out a 1 foot tube :???: I run around 460-475 awhp with my wastegate plumbed back into my downpipe. Of course it is a funky looking custom made downpipe, but it sounds and performs good.[/QUOTE]

Damn 460-475AWHP:shock: , thats badass I wanna see your car. And your in the Houston area too. LOL
 

mr2 guy

New Member
Dam dude one of the hottest DSMs Ive ever seen, and the best partof all, it dosnt got that ricey look.
 
Yes. Routing back into the exhaust stream in the downpipe is the idea. Most people don't do it because it is just much harder to fabricate wastegate piping that goes from it to the downpipe and merge them smoothly together. It is so much easier to put a simple dump tube on it. If you plan on staying at lower psi, an internal gated turbo will make things alot easier if you don't want to run a dump tube. I think so many people do it because it seems most people (that I see) run turbo's on civics and integras that are too big and, most the time, have external wastegates. They all seem to want a big T3/T4 even if they are only shooting for 220whp, which I don't understand. For example, why would you put a big external gated T3/T4 capable of flowing 450hp with the right supporting mods if you only want 7-10 psi? But there are too many people that do this and are happy living with unnecessary lag and sounding crappy.
I agree, I have a 44mm tial and a dump tube. Its loud as hell and Im not a huge fan of the sound at WOT. I also agree that people put too large of turbos on for the horsepower they are shooting for. Putting a GT35R on your car when your going to run it at 7-10 psi is just pointless. Its barely even spooling up at that point.
And props for a sweet DSM.
 
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