Samurai_Blue
Yolo Whippin'
Next off topic post will get an infraction. End of story.
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Drop the speed limit to 55mph and help fight terrorism, lower gas prices, help earth!
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OGstackadoIIa
TEAM LlGHTSPEED RACING
Ok, here we go again. How about some solid facts?
The 1974 Emergency Highway Energy Conservation Act, remember that? Probably not since it was repealed in 1987, the year I was born, cuz they knew I would come out the womb faster than 55 m/h, for one.
How effective was this? Depending on who you talk to, it's somewhere around .5%, which is a massive distance from the 2%+ they were hoping to achieve, and I'm sure you know how much crude is consumed a day, so how much are we actually saving, and how many less machine guns or whatever your point is will the 'terrorists' be able to buy?
What negative effects did it have? With the freeways completely bogged down, it created catastrophic congestion on B roads and city streets, making people late for work and causing additional stress on our infrastructure, and not to mention your precious cities filling with more concentrated smog.
Additionally, it was argued that the limited speed actually INCREASED fatalities due to auto collisions due to increased travel time; which we all know, the more you drive, you more likely you are to suffer an accident.
There was wide spread opposition for the law, opposed also by police and government officials; also an example in New York found that 83% disregarded the limited speed, causing police to patrol freeways more and more to save barely upwards of .5% of our fuel consumption.
And the biggest point about this thread and you hypocrisy, as I said before and you decided to ignore: You drive a Gs-R and have been documented to drive quite spiritedly through B roads! Your excuses are your own, pal; but that is a disastrous gap in your credibility to be taking on a matter like this and I assure you that your fellow extremists would not agree with your behavior, and certainly would not want you on 'the front line' with your bullhorn telling us not to drive the speedlimit.
I'll be dipped in shit and rolled all over before I stop racing, mate
The 1974 Emergency Highway Energy Conservation Act, remember that? Probably not since it was repealed in 1987, the year I was born, cuz they knew I would come out the womb faster than 55 m/h, for one.
How effective was this? Depending on who you talk to, it's somewhere around .5%, which is a massive distance from the 2%+ they were hoping to achieve, and I'm sure you know how much crude is consumed a day, so how much are we actually saving, and how many less machine guns or whatever your point is will the 'terrorists' be able to buy?
What negative effects did it have? With the freeways completely bogged down, it created catastrophic congestion on B roads and city streets, making people late for work and causing additional stress on our infrastructure, and not to mention your precious cities filling with more concentrated smog.
Additionally, it was argued that the limited speed actually INCREASED fatalities due to auto collisions due to increased travel time; which we all know, the more you drive, you more likely you are to suffer an accident.
There was wide spread opposition for the law, opposed also by police and government officials; also an example in New York found that 83% disregarded the limited speed, causing police to patrol freeways more and more to save barely upwards of .5% of our fuel consumption.
And the biggest point about this thread and you hypocrisy, as I said before and you decided to ignore: You drive a Gs-R and have been documented to drive quite spiritedly through B roads! Your excuses are your own, pal; but that is a disastrous gap in your credibility to be taking on a matter like this and I assure you that your fellow extremists would not agree with your behavior, and certainly would not want you on 'the front line' with your bullhorn telling us not to drive the speedlimit.
I'll be dipped in shit and rolled all over before I stop racing, mate
covert_Con
Senior Ricer
Same here. And rarely will I brake during my gas saving ventures. Just let off the gas a cruise and downshift around 1.5k until stopping. Tailgaters got nothing on me. Haha
Ganyon
Active Member
Same here, but i throw the pitch in neutral and coast.
covert_Con
Senior Ricer
Not gonna lie, i miss my auto sometimes.
Samurai_Blue
Yolo Whippin'
like i said any off topics will receive an infraction. Im not kidding about this. The thread was reopened because of an argument kyle gave me which i overlooked.
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covert_Con
Senior Ricer
Yeah!Texas is working on making some roads 85
The House has approved it and the Senate is working on similar legistlation
Prozon
Kris
As OG stated, slower speeds = longer drive time which adds to more vehicles on the road adding to congestion/traffic. Traffic = More fuel being burned slowing down and accelerating.
Sounds counter productive to me.
....not to mention you can bet your ass I will be speeding and getting angry at the d-bags clogging up the road going 55....
Sounds counter productive to me.
....not to mention you can bet your ass I will be speeding and getting angry at the d-bags clogging up the road going 55....
TheIVJackal
Freedom through Jesus
That actually made me laugh:lol:
I see you’re not providing any sources and im sure no one on here will push you to provide them as it seems they are on some sort of bandwagon to destroy me, lol... Anyways, I'll trust that you read that from a reputable source. It looks like you are saying that we are providing terrorists with money even if indirectly so, and the argument has now changed to how much money would we actually take out of their hands. I agree, and I haven't laid out a complete strategy on how to get rid of our dependence on foreign oil as that would take far too long of my time and cover a vast number of different areas.
I would like to read into where you got the information about congestion actually increasing. And as you say, it was argued, not confirmed that the drop in the speed limit was a cause of the increase in fatalities. I don’t know if you overlooked it but I already addressed this, “The IIHS, those guys who rate each car on its safety said that "In 2010, a total of 10,395 deaths, or nearly a third of all motor vehicle fatalities, occurred in speed-related crashes. Based on a nationally representative sample of police-reported crashes, speeding – defined as exceeding the speed limit, driving too fast for conditions or racing – was involved in 16 percent of property-damage-only crashes and 20 percent of crashes with injuries or fatalities. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimates that the economic cost of speed-related crashes is more than $40 billion each year." This really shouldn't be surprising considering just how bad drivers are in the US. There are plenty of other studies that come to similar conclusions.”
Here is another from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, “Speeding is one of the most prevalent factors contributing to traffic crashes. The economic cost to society of speeding-related crashes is estimated by NHTSA to be $40.4 billion per year. In 2004, speeding was a contributing factor in 30 percent of all fatal crashes, and 13,192 lives were lost in speeding-related crashes. Motor vehicle crashes cost society an estimated $7,300 per second. The total economic cost of crashes was estimated at $230.6 billion in 2000. In 2000, the cost of speeding-related crashes was estimated to be $40.4 billion — $76,865 per minute or $1,281 per second. Speeding reduces a driver’s ability to steer safely around curves or objects in the roadway, extends the distance necessary to stop a vehicle, and increases the distance a vehicle travels while the driver reacts to a dangerous situation.” Is this clear enough? Need I say more?
This doesn't surprise me at all and has been addressed in a previous statement as well. There needs to be a conscious effort to drive 55mph, posting those speed limit signs will result in some change but how often are laws broken in this country? Nearly 9 in 10 drivers don't follow the posted limits, that is something that can be changed either voluntarily knowing the benefits of driving slower, or changed by authority, you drive fast you get ticketed.
If the 220 million drivers decided to drive efficiently, which we find that only 10-15% of them would comply, that would result in about 60 million gallons of fuel saved daily. That isn't enough to make a huge dent but it would help. I said that I would drive efficiently when I wanted to which is nearly 100% of the time, the amount of fuel I would use in a quick run is nowhere close to offsetting the savings I made the other 99% of the time. I said that only after people like you would harass me for having a "GSR" and not driving it in a "fun" way. Fun is completely subjective... Who's car is going to last longer? The guy who drives efficiently or the guy that redlines? I care about my car and I drive it as so. Regardless of whether you think I am a hypocrite or not, I certainly don't see myself as one and doesn’t take away from the facts I have presented thus far.
Funniest thing is that my professor actually talked about this very topic in class today. What are the odds right? He asked, “aside from me, how many are in favor of actually reducing the speed limit to 55mph? It makes the roads safer, reduces pollution, and saves you money” needless to say, maybe one other person and myself in a room of around 30 raised their hands. I also happen to stumble across this site today which argues virtually the same things I am already saying! Drive 55
Right on guys!
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Ryan659
Active Member
I got 29.2mpg in a V6 accord going an average speed of 75. Efficiently is subjective depending on the car you're driving. A H1 hummer going 20 will still get less mpg than a Prius going 80, IMO. (no source but come on, that's probably close to the ball park ) there will never be a easy "yes this fixes it" solution to stopping terrorism. Maybe driving slower will help but the ability and cost to track and enforce it outweigh the benefits because terrorist get their funds from a majority of other sources. Furthermore, we as a country should not change our ways and beliefs for those terrorists. Isn't that a way of giving in to them. So drive faster my friends and don't give in to terrorist. (not off topic but a spin on the original argument )
anyways, I did like the source you did provide that led to another source and it makes the best argument that the best way to combat terrorism is not by driving slower but having 3rd world countries properly place anti-money laundering laws and other such laws to cut off the terrorist funds. The ones who are combating are the soldiers over there and the people making and enforcing the laws in the applicable countries.
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) there will never be a easy "yes this fixes it" solution to stopping terrorism. Maybe driving slower will help but the ability and cost to track and enforce it outweigh the benefits because terrorist get their funds from a majority of other sources. Furthermore, we as a country should not change our ways and beliefs for those terrorists. Isn't that a way of giving in to them. So drive faster my friends and don't give in to terrorist. (not off topic but a spin on the original argument )anyways, I did like the source you did provide that led to another source and it makes the best argument that the best way to combat terrorism is not by driving slower but having 3rd world countries properly place anti-money laundering laws and other such laws to cut off the terrorist funds. The ones who are combating are the soldiers over there and the people making and enforcing the laws in the applicable countries.
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TheIVJackal
Freedom through Jesus
I have to disagree with your first part Ryan. Go hang out on the Ecomodder forums and I highly doubt anyone would suggest driving over 60mph. They use this thing called a Scangauge that shows you live mpg numbers as you drive. You connect it to the OBDII DLC and it shows you as you drive. Aerodynamics play the biggest part in speed vs. mpg but even with the most aerodynamic cars, 55-60mph is still the sweet spot just before you start to lose mpgs. Look at the 1996 Honda Civic on there getting over 80mpg!
I agree, the best way to fight terrorism is not by driving slow, it would be really strange if that were the most effective way. The point is to be aware that our money is going overseas because of how much oil we use and if one doesn’t want to feel slightly responsible for it, driving a little slower helps in many different ways. Lets not get off on to another topic but as we all know, oil is not a renewable resource thus why we should be a little more responsible with how we use it.
I agree, the best way to fight terrorism is not by driving slow, it would be really strange if that were the most effective way. The point is to be aware that our money is going overseas because of how much oil we use and if one doesn’t want to feel slightly responsible for it, driving a little slower helps in many different ways. Lets not get off on to another topic but as we all know, oil is not a renewable resource thus why we should be a little more responsible with how we use it.
Samurai_Blue
Yolo Whippin'
why not buy valero gas, im pretty sure its american gas. Anyways is the sweet spot in speed have anything to do with the gearing/rpm? I think it does. A b16 transmission going 55mph will not save as much gas as a ls transmission in 5th gear
TheIVJackal
Freedom through Jesus
Although it appears that Valero does buy more domestic oil, I couldn't find any verifiable sources. I would also assume that it would be part of their slogan if this was the case which it's not and I couldn't find anything on their website about it. Maybe you'll have better luck finding something. Even if they did use just American, we use nearly 20 million barrels of oil every day and only produce around 10 million/day, EIA.Gov.